This all depends on if you wish to go full Oxigen or use compatibility mode.

If going full O2; yes, you will need O2 lane change electronics.

If going compatibility mode; no, you can use Carrera lane change electronics.

 

Actually, consider that you may run all oXigen IDs 1 to 20 at the same time on the Carrera system. The problem is that the Carrera PB cannot deliver enough power to run more than 6 cars.

Therefore you need to decouple power and control signals to run more than 6 O2 cars. In other words, you want to have 12V from a good supply on the rails, and the control signals from the D132 PB to the LCs. D132 LCs can only work if they receive the control signals from the PB.

If you don't plan to run more than 14 cars at a time, you only need 1 Carrera digital power base and 1 controller to use the original LCs. This will be enough for all O2 IDs 7 to 20.

This is what I would do if I wanted to keep using Carrera's electronic PCBs, but with oXigen on top:

1 - open up all Carrera LCs and Carrera power base

2 - disconnect the wires that connect the LC's electronic board to the rails

3 - disconnect the wires that connect the Power base electronic board to the rails

4 - connect directly the PB wires that used to go to the rails to the same wires on the LCs.

5 - make sure the PB and the LCs are not powered from the rails

6 - make sure the PB and the LCs are not powered from the rails

7 - make sure the PB and the LCs are not powered from the rails

8 - make sure the PB and the LCs are not powered from the rails

9 -

10 - connect your DC 12V power supply to the rails.

Now you have DC 12V from your power supply on the rails, and D132 PB and LCs connected by wire as if they were connected by rails, but NOT through the rails.

Plug the D132 controller in plug '4' on the PB. Grab a rubber band or cello tape and make sure the LC switch (and maybe the throttle, not sure about it) are pressed.

Now setup your track as if it was a normal oXigen track. Activate the Carrera compatibility mode in the oXigen chips.

Everything should work properly.

 

I have just converted my Carrera digital 1/32 to an oxygen hybrid. I have SCP3 controllers and "C" car decoders. I am only able to choose ID2 or ID4 for my lap counter in the Carrera control unit, this only gives you the capability of 2 Player's number 2 and number 4 using the Carrera CU as a lap counter. Is there a different firmware version I am missing? I have also attempted the bootlogger version 3 car ID and again the Carrera control unit IDs it as 2 or 4. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have invested in a couple $1000 in this conversion and I'm only capable of playing with 2 players.

 

Pay close attention to steps 5 through 8. ;-)

 

As a carrera digital owner I am still confused about the c chip.

Carrera gets his commands true the rails…and I do not find this very efficient.

I have raced for a few times with O2 end it is really great.

I have read that a O2 C chipped cars could drive on a digital Carrera track an could read the Lane changers. Even with the Cu ( Carrera computer) and your own digital Carrera controller.

For recognition laps counting and fuel mode your car needs to read with the hall sensor and magnets.

When I need magnets for lap counting and fuel mode, do I also need a new timing software?

I use now Bruce Yiling software, I don't think it will work with O2.

But I want to drive in the O2 mode, so commands true the air not true the rails.

How is it possible that the commands come true the air from a normal controller ( read no O2 controller) .

Resume, I want to drive in O2 mode with my regular lane changers, CU an my own controllers.

The reasons for that is that I have 4 double crossings, 4 single crossing, 2 SCP2 controllers, 3 trust controllers all digital. And about 15 digital cars.

The cost are huge to change all that to O2, but if I can fix with only a Chip in the car..that would be great.

Excuses for my English..it is not my native language.

Hoping for more answers,

Greatings Henri

 

Type C chip with D132 firmware is just like a Carrera car. No need to modify anything, but you're using the Carrera controller and everything else. Consider it a Carrera digital chip, not an oXigen chip.

Type C chip with oXigen firmware in Carrera compatible mode, you DO need the oXigen controller (SCP3, for example), but you don't need to replace all the electronics in your lane changers. You need to do some modifications to the track, as specified in Post #3. Yes, you would need new software, which can be the free software from slot.it (Chrono), or PC Lap Counter, or the upcoming RCS02 or anything else that supports oXigen, but you can't use Bruce's software.

If you want to have the O2 experience on your Carrera track, you must buy an O2 controller and follow the steps in Post #3. For this, you do not need the Type C chip. Any oXigen chip will be able to do this, though the Type C chip is the easiest to install since it already has the offset LED for Carrera compatibility.

You can't get full O2 mode with Carrera CU and controllers. Sorry.

However, the only actual cost to you is the time for the modifications, and an oXigen controller. With appropriate plugs or switches, you can use your track as original Carrera, or as oXigen, unless you plan to convert over to oXigen permanently.

 

you can see my track on https://www.facebook.com/Hybridelane100feet/

 

That make sense Mr flippant, finial plain and simple answers for my questions. For the controllers I was already anguish . i have 2 scp with Carrera cartridges, so the cost for two oxygen cart. Are 160 euro, 3 new controllers scp 2 with cart. are 440 euro……12 chips for two set off cars..420 euro…together € 1020…thats a little bit more than I hoped for…

You talking about SCP 3 ..it isn't yet on the market, a friend of my spoke to Maurizio at the champignon ship in Barcelona last week and they will come with Christmas.

Thanx for your answer, het helps me very well. …now looking for the right number in the lottery..lol

 

Ah, but if you are providing controllers and cars, it will be expensive no matter what.

One option to reduce cost is to get the Scalextric ARC Pro/Air controllers. These can be given firmware that is compatible with oXigen, and control oXigen cars. Regular club patrons who are regulars and use these simple controllers will probably go and buy their own SCP at some point.

But yes, changing from any system to any other will be expensive, simply because of changing so many chips at one time. This is why it would be good to keep your Carrera functional for a little while, until you're able to switch entirely to oXigen.

 

How does the race management work when running oXigen on a Carrera DIGITAL 132 track? I'm guessing an oXigen car won't slow down if it runs out of fuel.

 

That's correct. An oXigen car will not be effected by software written for Carrera Digital control.

If the car has an oXigen chip and it is being used as an oXigen car, then it needs oXigen software. This can be done on a Carrera Digital track with some simple wiring tricks, but nothing will make a Carrera Digital app control an oXigen car, any more than it could control an SSD or Ninco Digital, or Scorpius car. You use the software that is appropriate for the system that is controlling the cars.

One can, however, use an oXigen Type C chip with the D132 firmware installed on it as a standard Carrera Digital car, which would be controlled by the CU, Carrera controllers, and Carrera digital race management hardware or software.

 

That's correct. An oXigen car will not be effected by software written for Carrera Digital control.

If the car has an oXigen chip and it is being used as an oXigen car, then it needs oXigen software. This can be done on a Carrera Digital track with some simple wiring tricks, but nothing will make a Carrera Digital app control an oXigen car, any more than it could control an SSD or Ninco Digital, or Scorpius car. You use the software that is appropriate for the system that is controlling the cars.

One can, however, use an oXigen Type C chip with the D132 firmware installed on it as a standard Carrera Digital car, which would be controlled by the CU, Carrera controllers, and Carrera digital race management hardware or software.

Great video to help people understand. Well done!

 

Ah, but if you are providing controllers and cars, it will be expensive no matter what.

One option to reduce cost is to get the Scalextric ARC Pro/Air controllers. These can be given firmware that is compatible with oXigen, and control oXigen cars. Regular club patrons who are regulars and use these simple controllers will probably go and buy their own SCP at some point.

But yes, changing from any system to any other will be expensive, simply because of changing so many chips at one time. This is why it would be good to keep your Carrera functional for a little while, until you're able to switch entirely to oXigen.

Where could one find more info on this MrFlippant? It sounds interesting.

 

The slot.it web site, of course!

Best place to start is the oXigen manual (aka O2 Base Description). The whole manual should be read by those interested in oXigen and hybrid systems including oXigen compatible products, but for your specific question, refer to page 23 and continue from there.

http://slot.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/BaseDescriptionO2.en_.pdf

The manual and all software and firmware can be found on their oXigen page here:

http://slot.it/oxigen/

 

Mr Flippant, or maybe mister Slotalot

I am started with my new project Oxigen.

Dongle works oke, the timing software is installed and my first C-chip installed in a car.

Dfu works, and yes I made a real Carrera car and yes I made a real oxigen car, because I can run also analog on my digital track ( I made some power switches) . I am a complete noob in electric so it is trail and error…and sometimes blowing up things.

The target I am aming at is to run 3 systems..Carrera, analog and Oxigen on the same Carrera track.

the million dollar question:

I am referring to answer of mister slotalot,

" Now you have DC 12V from your power supply on the rails, and D132 PB and LCs connected by wire as if they were connected by rails, but NOT through the rails.

Plug the D132 controller in plug '4' on the PB. Grab a rubber band or cello tape and make sure the LC switch (and maybe the throttle, not sure about it) are pressed.

Now setup your track as if it was a normal oXigen track. Activate the Carrera compatibility mode in the oXigen chips.

Everything should work properly."

I do understand to take the power of the rails en to feed te LC with te power from CU of Carrera.

Than I can use the power of my analog track bridge te xlr plug and we can drive oxygen.

But what I don't understand is : how can I ran the next time Carrera, I think de commands of the cu ( powerbase) are going among the rails….and that part I cut away, only feeding the LC of Carrera.

Or do I make a mistake??

If not I have to think of another solution.

And a minor question is : i quote: "Activate the Carrera compatibility mode"…

witch mode do you mean??

Maybe I am also lost with a contradiction:

Quote:

3 - disconnect the wires that connect the Power base electronic board to the rails

10 - connect your DC 12V power supply to the rails.

Sorry I do my best, but some time I am lost.

Hopefully some solutions I dit not think off for my Hybrid lane

Thanxxx

 

You need a switch between the power being fed from your XLR connectors to the rails, and the power coming out of the CU to the rails. You can create another wire from the system feeding to the Carrera LCs, and feed it to one side of that switch. Essentially, you need to be able to reconnect the CU to the rails, at least electrically, in order to run normal Carrera Digital.

Carrera Compatability mode is the mode you are setting in the oXigen chip so that it will known when and what to emit from the LED. Until Slot.it release their phone app for the TypeC chip, you'll probably need to use the Bootloader software on your computer. This will use the dongle to talk to the chip and allow you to change settings such as this mode.

The last part you asked about is because you seemed to not understand that a switch is needed if you want to also use the track for Carrera Digital again. Two inputs, one output... DC from your analog controllers to one input, Carrera CU to the other input... the output goes to the rails.

I did this with my track, to switch between SSD and Analog/oXigen by using a 4-pole, double-throw (4PDT) switch that was rated for 20 amps continuous.

 

Thank you for your answers , it brings me closer to the solutions. For the solution digital power Carrera.

I can already boot with a phone, to boot the chip for oxygen or Carrera..

So : : "Activate the Carrera compatibility mode"…Is already done, but…if you want to boot to Carrera, your power has to be plus left side and minus right side.

If you drive oxygen the power is continues and power is minus lef and plus right side.

So i did boot de software for Carrera into the chip, plugged in the power for oxigen mode, nothing works. So I changed the power on the shoe braid from left to ride, nothing at all.

I didn't aspect it to do, but you never now.

So booting up de Carrera software modus and power analog…did not match.

So still lost for the "Activate the Carrera compatibility mode"…

 

You have two choices.

1 - oXigen firmware on the chip, put into Carrera comparability mode (using the bootloader on the PC for now) so that lane changing and lap counting actually work when the chip is operating as an oXigen chip on a Carrera Digital track with Carrera Digital electronics in the track. Polarity is as standard for analog tracks. You are controlling the car with your slot.it SCP controller.

2 - Carrera Digital firmware on the chip. No special modes because it IS Carrera compatible to begin with. Polarity is reverse standard. You are controlling the car with your Carrera Digital controller.

To keep things simple, as I show/tell in my video, I put the AC/DC screw in the AC position and just leave it there. A loss of 0.5v is of no consequence to me for home racing, and I don't have to move the screw whenever I want to use the car on another type of track, or move the wires between the braids.

 

i have tried to find the manual of the boodloader on the slot.it site.

there are 2 versions, spanish and english...but only the spanish version comes up...or is this a cookies problem.

http://slot.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/BootloaderO2.es_.pdf

 

Just change the _es to _en.

http://slot.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/BootloaderO2.en_.pdf

Whoever does the web site probably missed that small change when they set up the links.

 

it works , thanxx

 

If you want to keep racing Carrera digital, then the Carrera PB must be connected to the rails as well as to the LCs.

An oXigen car can run on Carrera D132 PB power.

If you have a standard Carrera setup, and you want to race oXigen on it, if you activate the Carrera Compatibility mode for oXigen chips, they send 'ID 4' code only when the lane changing button is pressed.

Carrea works so that when the LC button is pressed on controller n.4, the LC will open the LC for any cars with ID4 that it sees.

Therefore, each time an oXigen car crosses the LC detector while the change lane button is pressed, the LC will trigger because it will see a car n.4. If the lane change button is not pressed, the oXigen car transmits nothing and goes around undisturbed

All you need at this point is magnets under the track to trigger oXigen's timing.

However, if you want to race analog as well, then you need a way to disconnect Carrera D132 power base from the rails, as far as I know

 

A lot of thanxx..i will work on it...first change the power on te LC with the pb from carrera and and not any more treu the track!!

 

Hi specialist, because there is only one club member how drives Oxigen and he only drives pur oxigen, there is no much help for me life.

Because a small film says more than 1000 words, a made a step by step movie.

because it still not works ...lol

hopefully you can discover my mistakes.

nr 1

nr 2

nr 3

nr 4

nr 5

nr 6

take only 1 or to minutes a movie.

thanks for your patience
greetings Henri

 

Nr1 - I think that's correct. The power from the CU that normally goes to the rails has been cut, and is connected to the wires from the LC to provide power and control to the LC. The power on the rails is direct from your DC power supply. Correct? I can't follow the wires in the video.

Nr2 - The AC/DC screw can be left in the DC position for your use case. I just leave mine in AC mode because I use all the different track types, including SSD, which requires the AC position. The AC position will work for all tracks, but will reduce power by about 0.5v.

Nr3 - Looks good.

Nr4 - Looks good.

Nr5 - I can't tell if you're holding the lane change button down or not. It sounds like you are pressing and releasing the button, but you need to be holding it down just like you would with Carrera. I'm sure you know this, so I'm assuming that it doesn't matter if you are holding the button or not. I noticed that it didn't make the beep when crossing the CU except when you press the LC button. Have you installed the magnets under the track for oXigen lap counting?

Nr6 - Make sure the paired controller is turned off, or it will think you want to drive, and not enter programming or DFU mode. The fast flash indicates an active pairing, and I saw that your controller was still on and doing the same flashing. Also, although it doesn't make sense, try turning the car around so that it receives opposite polarity. You will know it enters DFU mode after it blinks a couple times and then the light turns off.

I'm not sure why it's not changing lanes. Do you have any other oxigen chips, or just Type C?

 

I wonder if the O2 chip shuts down the IR sensor when it crosses the S/F line (i.e. the magnet)... similar to what happens in SSD mode? Might be worth removing the magnet for a quick test...

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