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People's thoughts on 2013 racing at The Falcon Raceway

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Hi all of you Falcon raceway racers,

Thought I would start this thread so you can voice your opinions of the car classes and race formats or anything else for that matter that you would like considered for next year at the club.

So over to you guys

Michael
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Ok

Steve - you are correct the short sprint races just don't work in Digital
It is just a crash fest every time

The longer endurance races work the best, but this means that we can't run 2 classes in a race night

So some simple maths

If we start nexts year Calender on the first Thursday of the new year we get 26 race nights up until the 19th of Dec

Currently we have 4 classes to fit in, as we are adding the other club cars class, this would make it 5 next year.

So if things stayed the same we would race our cars 5 times in the year

This is if we carry on only racing one class per night

As I think Lee had down for 6 NASCAR championship rounds

LeMans night is a whole night event plus we need the hall so extra cost - to work best we would need 3/4 more racers for this night to be self funding

SCX NASCARS personally I like this class, lots of different liverys to be had and pretty close racing

One mod we could do is to replace the SCX rear wheels with slot.its thus alowing us to run silicones very easily
This would also remove the need for any tyre prep in this class and once again even the playing field
Cost would only be in the region of £7.50 per car as the slot.it wheels slip straight on

American Muscle personally this is a difficult class, as I can see there are lots of cars to choose from but only one or two will be any good
There is no way that the Pioneer motor is the same as the scalextric one

Also the race format did just not work at all, was a stock car race night

So this gives us 5 classes to fit in, personally this is enough for just meeting every 2nd week

Now if we ran more often ............

So Race Formats

I don't know if you all know or are even aware that in SSDC I can vary the fuel usage, the fuel tank size, the rate at which you refuel and also the power loss from an empty tank to a full tank.

NASCAR Championship is a 100 lap race with current numbers this does leave a little spare time at end of evening as a race takes about 8 minuets in this class and with no need to ID cars etc it moves along nicely so each heat is completed and swapped over in 10 minuets so we are done in under an hour and a half

This leaves us with possibility of a class on the end. I would say let's have the muscle cars here. Race format could be
A 40 lap race but with fuel, but very minimal power loss for a full tank but a tank Flat out would only do 25 laps maximum
Thus if you drive carefully you could stretch that to race distance or do you stop? But let's slow down the refuelling so you loose a few laps? Will your speed gain be enough?

LeMans LMP & GT class runs well just need to be more organised with car IDing and car choice

SCX NASCARS runs well as a timed endurance
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is there really a problem with the tyres we use for scx cars ?
the ones we use make things more interesting !
Actually I agree with George even if I am the one that complains about no grip.
I think we should persist with these tyres for now.
I would also sugest that we run the gt cars on a seperate night on say lap limited races.
Also I did sugest before about evening things up even thurther we could limit the power to the front runners or reduce their range on fuel.
This would bring the back markers up even closser.
As for reduced racing take last thursdays racing we all had 50 minutes of racing track time.
Even on hall nights we get this amount of race time.
If we get more members this would reduce.
Most other clubs only get around 20 minutes.
At the moment I have drawn up a callender for next year.
I have allowed 4 american muscle (oval)
4 scx nascars (oval)
8 scalextric (nascar championship) (oval)
5 lmp/gt (hall)
5 tba (hall)
Lastly Julie(my wife) has offered to take over cakes etc.
This meens you will get home baked on most occasions but it would meen an extra £1 into another kitty.
I think still great value at £6 a night.
Also this would be a flat rate and not increase on hall nights.
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On another note, Pendles have a 'Weekend Offer' on for a couple of those Racer Sideways Daytona prototypes. £24.99 a pop.
No vote here, but I can't shut up sometimes, so what the heck. ;-)
I LOVE variety in slot car classes. Although I can see that your current classes have a good variety, some are quite similar in performance.
I think if you're going to add a class, you should give some consideration to a slot.it classics or Group C class. The Racer Sideways DP cars are pretty much the same as Slot.it Group C (performance wise), so a sale on those is a great way to start. Slot.it Classics, being sidewinder, are also great performers and a lot of fun, while still different from their inline types, and other brands.
Adding another Scalextric type would be kind of silly, IMHO.
Take that for what it's worth... ;-)
QUOTE NASCAR Championship is a 100 lap race with current numbers this does leave a little spare time at end of evening as a race takes about 8 minuets in this class and with no need to ID cars etc it moves along nicely so each heat is completed and swapped over in 10 minuets so we are done in under an hour and a half

This leaves us with possibility of a class on the end. I would say let's have the muscle cars here. Race format could be
A 40 lap race but with fuel, but very minimal power loss for a full tank but a tank Flat out would only do 25 laps maximum
Thus if you drive carefully you could stretch that to race distance or do you stop? But let's slow down the refuelling so you loose a few laps? Will your speed gain be enough?

I like this suggestion. I like it a lot.


QUOTE At the moment I have drawn up a callender for next year.
I have allowed 4 american muscle (oval)
4 scx nascars (oval)
8 scalextric (nascar championship) (oval)
5 lmp/gt (hall)
5 tba (hall)

So based on this suggested calendar from Lee, there's actually 8 championship sessions at which we could fit in a separate class at the end of the evening. So, we could run the muscle cars at all of these, or just half and then use the other four for something else. This would also free up the four whole evening sessions Lee has set aside for the muscle cars for something else too.
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Hey Mr F you are always welcome here


We was running a slot.it group c car the other night along with a sideway car, the sideways had a standard scalextric motor and chip but the group c was all slot.it stuff, Guess which was the fastest


Personally the scalextric car are much maligned IMHO because we run on a FLAT Track they work very nicely


Also I use the settings SSDC to vary how they run, but for me the fun is in the racing and the strategy

Not too bothered about lots of different cars as this can cause problems with one type of car in a class being very different to another in terms of performance as we saw last time out in the Muscle cars.

The main aim of the club is to get Close Competitive Racing with minimal cost,

Mr F also look out in a bit as I will post some picks of our ( my ) new club car class
cars

Is 8 Club Car NASCARS too many ?

We could do a Porsche super cup race as we have these at our disposal as well or a GT only race

How about one weekend or even a bank holiday a Team Endurance Event using the Sideways Daytona Prototypes

Select team captains from Championship Standings (so me and Lee can't be in same team for example)

Entry Fee includes cost for car to be used etc. might make for a fun event?
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Don't get me wrong, I love Scalextric cars. Most of my sets are Scaleys.
Also, I completely agree that it's best to have close racing. As I've said many times, it's better to lose by an inch than to win by a mile. Having a class that all the cars are as close running as possible is best, or what ends up happening is people who can afford to will keep buying cars until they get a great runner, and people who can't just stick it out with what they have, or quit because of what feels like unfair racing.
And yeah, the slot.it will be faster than the Riley with a Scaley motor in it. It's got an extra 3k of motor. ;-) Stick a Scaley motor in the slot.it, or a orange slot.it motor in the Riley, and they'll be much closer. Tires matter a lot, too, and even stock tires differ between earlier and more recent releases of slot.it cars.

I look forward to seeing your club cars and reading about your racing. DRAWW is getting ready to start a new series as well, and we're looking into changing things up a bit with how our races are run.
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QUOTE (MrFlippant @ 23 Sep 2012, 16:17) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And yeah, the slot.it will be faster than the Riley with a Scaley motor in it. It's got an extra 3k of motor. ;-) Stick a Scaley motor in the slot.it, or a orange slot.it motor in the Riley, and they'll be much closer. Tires matter a lot, too, and even stock tires differ between earlier and more recent releases of slot.it

Oh no how wrong.


both has slot.it silicones on and the scalextric powered car ripped the ass off the slot.it one by over 4 10ths of a second on our oval
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QUOTE (GeorgeM @ 21 Sep 2012, 19:04) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi all,

I'd prefer to keep all the classes we have. Having bought cars, it would be a shame to not use them.....


If we add a class or two, how about classic British touring cars ('60's) ? Good choice & mix of cars !
A second club class using Michael's cars as discussed last night would be good too.

I'm not fussed about format, length of races etc., some sprint, some endurance is good.
If we can find a practical way of racing in the way the cars we are using did, that would be even better !
How about an Indy 500 ?

just my 2p worth, but hope it helps

Indy 500 actually this may happen.
I have started a couple of new straight sections one with 3 changers.
The next sections will be 4 x 1200 radious, 90 degree turns 2 with curved changers which will form an indy style track
around 90 feet
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QUOTE (Michael363672 @ 23 Sep 2012, 08:28) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Oh no how wrong.


both has slot.it silicones on and the scalextric powered car ripped the ass off the slot.it one by over 4 10ths of a second on our oval


Haha. Should have guessed. I suspect the faster motor of the slot.it was too much for the relatively short track. I wonder if turning the power down on the slot.it would result in better control and faster lap times. Also, some tuning with the body and pod screws might help.

Anyway, I stand by the suggestion of a slot.it type series would be a good idea.
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Mr F the Slot.it group C's will be making an appearance at some point in the year

But they will be with a scalextric motor
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Good idea.
I forgot to clarify that I didn't think replacing the motor was a bad idea. It's a good one, if only because then stock SSD chips can be used.

In any case, I'll shush now and let you guys get on with it. I'm looking forward to reading about how your races go.
Pics and video, please! No fancy editing needed.
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Hey Mr F no problem add your little bit anytime

The slot.it motor seems ok with a SSDC chip as we don't run magnets but the scalextric ones just make sense


I will post some unedited stuff from the other night look out for the links in a bit
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Hoping to have a couple of cars for us to try soon
After looking at the first draft of next years race scheduale I think the scx nascars are a bit light.
WE also need to start allowing for a break as it all seems a bit rushed to me and then gets later and later.
I still think we could run American muscle 4 times and add another class onto this.
Maybe we could use one of the later tba s at the hall for the indy circuit once finished and run the scx nascars on it.
One also could be used for v8 supercars as I have a set of these we can use occasionally.
Lastly after the weekend fund raiser the club funds are in dept to me once again.
I didn't expect this event to break even but it means there are no funds for car parts etc for more club cars.
So if this is agreed that we run another club class we will have to look at how it is funded.
Regards Lee
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Re time,

We just need to start on time and people get to their driving position


What time do you want to finish racing Lee as you have the furthest to go to get home


As everyone seemed keen on the sets of cars that I had all we need is 6 DPR chips Lee
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QUOTE (lee thorndike @ 30 Sep 2012, 15:49) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Lastly after the weekend fund raiser the club funds are in dept to me once again.
I didn't expect this event to break even but it means there are no funds for car parts etc for more club cars.
So if this is agreed that we run another club class we will have to look at how it is funded.
Regards Lee

Join the club Lee.
I notice Mr 363672 made no comment
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