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As for the 13D's in the mongram GP cars and even some later cox cars (LaCucca type , saw one just the other night !) We were all excited till we punched it and saw, "nothing" Homey Cars could pass it ! They were workeable in rewinding andsuch but the MAGS dictated powere mostly, But now you cant touch one for under $100 US. As for Bear Dog , go for it ! He is using TSRF type motors (foxes, Rabbits, rippers). As for exotic motors I ahve no idea, Doesnt Sheldon just make you want to CRY !!! I have aguy who is going to sup up some of the SCX F1 motors I had, so they in a scatch chassis could be interesting too !

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