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Is it just me or is there a decline in quality control amongst slot- car manufacturers?

Before we start please note that this is not aimed at any one make nor is it a discussion about design errors. I am taking about actual faults in production like duff motors etc.

The following (in alphabetical order - I am not picking on anyone) are recent experiences amongst my racing club friends:

Fly - two people are running Racer Capris at the club and they are stripping crownwheels at an astonishing rate - every 2 races is the norm. This may possibly stem from a bad design but are other people having the same trouble?

Ninco - As editor of the NSCC Journal I receive a lot of their cars for review and generally find their quality control to be good. Contrary to a post in a different thread I rarely find out of true wheels but they have a strong tendency to lose them at the end of the main straight! Virtually every one I have raced has lost a wheel within a short time - easy to glue on I know but something that shouldn't happen if production is up to scratch.

Proslot - you name it - it breaks. If the things weren't so fast I would never buy one!

Scalextric - seems to be a mass outbreak of duff motors at the moment - 10 of our members have had brand new motors die on them in the last two months.

SCX - no direct experience - what are your views?

Vanquish - only raced them once. Took two McLarens to the club last week - The first one stripped the crownwheel within 9 laps while the other completed one race before suffering the same fate - gave up - can't afford £20 for replacement axles that often!

Over to you gentlemen.

Please do not let this degenerate into a manufacturer bashing exercise - they all have problems from time to time. I am just looking for your own experiences to see if there is any pattern.

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the fly crownwheels are reknown for failing, I have had all but 1 fail on me


Scalex motors regularly die in my hands, they just wont stand the punishment!

Ninco sometimes have wobbly wheels, but the motors need to be held in better

Proslot.. leave em on the shelf, if I can find em!


Vanquish, similar story to the GT40 I bought..
out the box, on the track, run for about 30cm then decided that I didnt like it so it went back in the box
 

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Experiences from HSARC:

Fly Racer - yeah, worn gears, but two cracked altogether. I understand the strain on gears when running powerful motors and magnets, but we are talking about our Challengers League where there are no magnets!

Scalextric - so far all good! Haven't seen any failures yet...

ProSlot - Popular but known for assembly problems. Most are stripped down, tidied up and re-assembled with glue, which we allow. Also EVO4 ALWAYS spins the pinion, most people are replacing with Scalextric pinion (only slightly cheating).

Ninco, NC5 cars a re big with us. Loss of wheels, especially the fronts is frequent on the "SOK" McLarens. CART cars seem flawless.

Slot.It - no problems.

Carrera and SCX never seem to show up in the competition......wonder why?
 

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Could we maybe take into account while were talking about it, that club tracks might be too big or bigger than what the manufacturers test the cars on? Maybe the cars are being driven for hours on end ie: crashed for hours on end or just having massive shunts and then four other cars smashing into them for good measure at the end of a long straight etc. Do club cars get too much power rammed into them? Maybe running a higher power rate for the cars puts just a little too much load on the plastic toy part of the exercise? Can someone get a manufacturer set a point where we might have overstepped the mark from toy to racers?
Good question B.
 

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I thought about writing about this before.

My experience supporting my son suggests

- Ninco - 1 car bought - wheel fell off at turn 1. Motor fell out shortly after.

- Fly racing - motor jumps out trashing crown wheel and pinion. Wheels not attached securely.

- Fly - 1 car bought. Transmission jumps out and strips crown after 5 minutes.

- Scalextric - few cars bought. Lister storm tyres too big and can foul body. Car stops, strips crown.

- Slot it motor - dies after short while.

- Red Fox controller - doesn't work - can never have worked properly from how it's been assembled.

- SCX Dome - connections to motor last only short while, light don't but when they do short out the power supply.

I can't think of any other area where the product is so abjectly unfit for purpose!
 

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QUOTE (Misguided @ 29 Jul 2004, 08:40)My experience supporting my son suggests
What age is your son?

There certainly are some incredible tales of woe on this thread and others in the past!

We currently have my 13-year old nephew staying with us and he brought most of his cars with him- he races at home in his loft- and some of his cars are almost annhilated.

Yet I have hundreds of cars and have club raced for over 12 years-sometimes three nights a week- and can count the amount of occurrences like this on one hand!

I must just be lucky I suppose! Or slow


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I still think its shocking , you pay £30 for a car , then have to buy a new motor , new tyres etc. to make it run half decent and then have to constantly fettle with
it to ensure it runs good.

I have friends etc. who race v. occasionally at home and they get dismayed that
they buy a car and its barely fit for one nights running before something goes on it.

I think the only way to improve this situation is to start sending broken cars/parts
back.
I have tried with some motors but got "you ran on a track with to much power" - WHAT ! , a scalextric sport with wallwarts is anything but overpowered.
However if more and more of us keep doing it maybe they will relent !
 

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I have about 50 cars raced hard on home track, 6 raced on clubs.

No QC issues on any of the club raced cars (3 Fly, 2 scalextric 1 ninco)

Braid design issue on all my Carrera cars running on Scalex Sport track - takes a lot of fiddling to get them running, but then they are designed for carrera track.

1 SCX motor went up in smoke, 1 Fly motor died during tyre truing (overheated, so my fault on that one). about 3 cars have had serious QC pinion issues, and 1 wheel fell off.

I think tyre rubbing on arches and need for spacers is a design issue rather than a QC issue.

I don't think that is TOO bad, obviously a perfect world would be better where everything was half the price and twice as good; or maybe i have just been lucky?
 

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Brian
I have not had any problems that can't be fixed. I always try to find the problems and fix them before racing so they don't cause failures - however it does not mean my fixes always last the course e.g my glued bearing on my Team Slot escort kept popping out at wrexham which reuslted in loss of gear mesh and a stock still car! Consistent issues that I have experienced that need to be fixed before what I consider is a basic running car:
Ninco - motor pops out
SCX - motor connections not reliable thru corners; significantly out of true hub/tyre combo; poor gear mesh; I seem to get thru more SCX motors than any other
Scalextric - none
Fly - motor pops out; bearings pop out; front stub axles too floppy; rear axle slop; poor gear mesh
Carrera - none
Revel - none
MRRC - tyres spin off hubs; out of true hubs/tyres
Team Slot - bearings, motor pop out; out of true hubs/tyres; sloppy rear axle; bent rear axle
Vanquish - none
Spirit - out of true hubs/tyres; hubs fly off axles; guide wires too inflexible
Slot-it - none although I've had 1 of 4 motors give up

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As regards to sending stuff back.

I bought a Fly Racer off Get Slotted.
yup, the gear went how surprising. So, I sent them an email explaining that it was basically carp but in a long winded way.

Multiple emails crossed over and what did they say? well, first it was that because I had secured the motor they shouldnt replace it, then it was my driving style, then it was too much power, then they gave in and sent me a Slot it Crown. Must say quite good idea for them as then I would have had to buy slot it axle and bearings and wheels, sadly I had them here already.

Retailers and distributors are not willing to take back cars that have mechanical failures. They will wind their way out of it. Frankly it's wrong.

Some will remember this encounter as I did it as an experiment and my disgust was published on the boards.

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Like Matt, I haven't had any problem that can't be fixed. I have one car with a stripped crown gear - a Fly Lister, but it did get a thrashing before hand. I accept that this sort of thing happens.

My one issue - that has still to be resolved - is the design of the Fly Indy 500 2002 Pace car and the Fly Le Mans 2003 Course Directors car. These cars are based on the Z06 Corvette body shape which is wrong, they should have been based on the Coupé version. When I asked Fly, I got no reply. When I asked Gaugemaster, Aaron said that he'd ask, but since then, no answer. I think Fly were just cutting corners and hoping that nobody would notice. I'm surprised General Motors let them sell the cars.
 

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I think it's a real pity that when scaley introduced the "Sport" range it didn't release a range of cars that were ready to race. I would happily pay a premium for cars with metal wheels, drill blank axles etc. with the realism of modern slots. if scaley were successful, others would follow. fly nearly did it but it's a pity the bodies are made by Tupperware.



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QUOTE Retailers and distributors are not willing to take back cars that have mechanical failures.

That is not always true, as it very much depends on the retailer, distributor and the exact story with the car.


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Mr Material said...QUOTE Yet I have hundreds of cars and have club raced for over 12 years-sometimes three nights a week- and can count the amount of occurrences like this on one hand!

I must just be lucky I suppose! Or slow

You ain't slow, but you are the only man I know with 1,000 fingers!
 

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in most cases then Aaron.

Why pay a premium? Slot it can knock out cars a couple of pounds dear than "sport" cars. I know which I would have
 

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I thought I'd better add - to get all manafacturers car running to a competitive standard at the club I attend (routed copper tape so magnets don't work) takes a lot more work even if the rules say you got to use a box standard car. However I was really suprised by how well recent Scalextric cars run straight out the box and that includes the Lola, Lister and even a Porsche GT3. However if Scalextirc introduced hardened axles and aluminium wheels to their sport range then they could easily become a car that will race competitevly straight out of the box.

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Not a lot has changed really!,

As a small boy I got fed up getting through my entire meagre collection in the week. By friday all my cars would be disabled. Saturday meant a bus ride into town and spending all my pocket money and more on scalextric wheels and crown wheels, RX motor brushes, Airfix body shells (the little rear axle retaining pins broke off)and braids and the occaisional motor.

Now I find the most problem for 1st time out of the box is Scalex wheel and body part shedding, Ninco loose motors and harsh gear noises, SCX slack everything (but fixable), Fly binding wheels and tyres (still!), I even have a GT1 sidewinder with a front wheel and a rear wheel on the same back axle!! Proslot pinnion shedding, Monogram buckled wheels and odd tyres! yes you heard it! A sebring Corvette with three front and one rear tyre and not a true wheel amongst them!

There are other makes with faults but you wouldn't race them in competition for fear of damaging them. It is blatantly obvious that some manufacturers never intend their cars to be raced as they are so flimsy and vulnerable they would disintergrate and some of these are expensive models!

Other than that I wouldn't have anything to do of an evening if slotlife was perfect!
 
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