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Dear Mr Hornby,

Make this model please (now that you and the gang at Maranello are friends). Please make many liveries like you did with the GT40.

Also, please take a look at the 250LM and the GTO while you're at it.

Thanks, Ken R

(in other words, I'm holding my wallet tight until Scaley intros their Ferrari line)
 

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Simon Moss (Undisputed #1 Racer Fan)
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Rumour has it though, that these are not official releases from Racer, but somebody else's special edition based on the Racer kits. Still, they are very nice and would look nice in my cabinet.

This kind of thing has been done before on certain Fly Cars etc. The white viper (A1) "Finish Line" for example.

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If its that colour in the photos, it's not BP green, looks too blue. I would not hold your breath for Scalextric. The best bet would be Monogram/Revell or MRRC. whoever has the molding for the Old Monogram 250 LM. (they called it 330P). Also are Racers like Vanquish 1/28tth scale? The Silver on the second car, I thought they were Aluminium extensions to fit wider wheels?
Regards Allan
 

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Did someone call Mr Sliderule?

Yes, GT40- they are, as you say, like Vanquish. Huge. In my humble opinion, outrageously so.
 

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Car #7 is meant to represent the Ferrari 412P which David Piper and Richard Attwood drove in the 1967 Rand Daily Mail Nine Hour endurance race at Kyalami, South Africa. It could be the pictures, but the colour looks wrong. I thought it was a brighter green.

Kind regards

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I also checked the web for the Kyalami car Russell, and I agree the car is nothing like the Piper car, colourwise. Strange Racer have gone down this route!.

Fine cars, but I too have issues with their oversize appearence.

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these are the images that I know of.

(FIRST 2 are large - apologies not from my site)



The car as raced in 1967 at Kyalami



The car as raced in 1968



The version I made to try and complete the 4 cars in the 68 pic... I based the colour on pics of 1/43rd models that are available of this car as I could not find any other colour reference. However if you look at David Pipers current historic cars, they are far closer to the colour I painted the car vs the Racer version. Also the decals on the racer version seem like guesswork/approximates - strange - I get the impression that these are not factory made cars as the factory Racer cars I have seen seem to be far more accurate in the paint/decal dept .... Any of our Italian friends confirm this?




Pics of his cars I took at the 2003 Le Mans Classic
 

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Try using Ford Modena Green for the Piper Ferraris, its the best recognised match.

Modena Green was a 1970's colour, you will probably recall it on MK1 RS2000's and Mexicos.
 

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I do not know if this helps. Quoting from "Motor Racing Team colours & markings" by John Baxter published by MAP 1967. Colour is Green(a special ICI mix known as P.B. Green, surely they mean BP as in British Petroleum) it's a fairly near match to British Standard Colour 228 Emerald Green.
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I have obviously been supplied "Duff Gen".

This then leads to 2 questions;

Why only Spain, when David Piper is British ?

How do we in the UK get hold of a pair ?



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These cars are not produced by Racer.

They are Racer kits built up by a third party in a limited run (Code 3 models ?). Racer have confirmed via Gaugemaster that they are not available from Racer, and there is currently no proposal to make these models themselves.

Now where did I put that tin of Modena Green........
 

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Thanks, Gary for confirming that. My original source did not supply me with "Duff Gen" after all.

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Dear friends,

First of all, I have to beg your pardon for the bad quality of the photos
(the real colour of the model looks more like the 1967 Kyalamy real car)

In order to have things clear and where the models come from I will make a little explanation: The models come from RACER factory. They are a SPECIAL EDITION exclusively made for the Spanish Importer, but definitely they are RACER standards of quality made. RACER do not have them on stock (the cars are not listed in their catalogues - the cars have no reference, as I said they are a special edition).

If anybody wants to buy one of this thirty cars, look up at Spanish e-shops.

Best regards and I hope that thinks are clear,


STINGRAY
 

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I know this is bringing up old news, but I just had to say that I managed to track down a pair of these cars, which arrived safely last monday. As Stingray mentioned above, the photograph does not do the colour justice. They are a definite green and very beautiful indeed. One surprise though was that they came mounted on official Racer plinths and plastic case inside an official Racer box with label on the side. People who have some of these cars will know what I mean.

The only question I have, and I don't know if anybody can help. I would like to know which race the #6 car came from. I have looked in my Ferrari prototype book at home and it mentions that David Piper took delivery of his first 412 and drove it in Paris. This was before the #7 car which was at Kyalami of the same year (1967). I wouldn't be surprised if they are the one and same car. Anybody able to confirm this as quite a few web sites that I use from work are blocked, so I am unable to do any proper research. Any information would be useful for my records.

Thankyou in anticipation

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Hi Mo55man,

Beautiful cars, but far too pricey for me at 160€ each!

I suspect, but I'm not sure, that #6 was the car as raced in the 1968 Paris 1000km.

Piper in fact first drove chassis #0854 in the 1967 BOAC 500, but entered by Maranello Concessionaires, GB. Maranello Concessionaires sold the car to David Piper in late 1967 and the first time that it appeared in "Piper green" was at the 1967 Rand Daily Mail 9 Hours, at Kyalami, South Africa. Piper raced chassis 0854 successfully until the end of 1968, when he obtained a Porsche 917.

Chassis 0854 1967: (Maranello Concessionaires, GB)
Spa 1,000Km: Attwood / Bianchi, 3rd
Le Mans: Attwood / Courage, DNF
BOAC 500: Attwood / Piper, 7th
Paris 1,000Km: Siffert / Piper, 5th

Chassis 0854 1967: (Piper Racing)
Kyalami 9 Hours: Piper / Attwood; 5th #7
Killarney 3 Hours: David Piper, 2nd #5

Chassis 0854 1968: (Piper Racing)
Tourist Trophy: David Piper, 2nd
Norisring: David Piper, 1st
Vila Real: David Piper, 2nd #50
Hockenheim: David Piper, 1st
Karlskoga: David Piper, 1st
Paris 1000km: Paris, David Piper, DNF #6
Kyalami 9 Hours: Piper / Attwood, 14th #3
Cape Town 3 Hours: Piper / Attwood, 3rd #5
Pietermartizburg 3 Hours: David Piper, DNF #3
East London 500 Km: David Piper, DNF #3
Norisring: David Piper, 5th

Car sold to Chris Cord, USA.

During the Kyalami 9-Hours in 1968, Piper hit another driver in the pit lane, smashing the windscreen. The car was hastily converted to a "spyder" by cutting off the roof, in time for the Cape Town 3-Hours!


Kyalami 9-Hours 1968, Piper chasing the Ickx/Hobbs Mirage


Cape Town 3-Hours, the Piper-Atwood Ferrari 330 P3/4 with roof cut-off!

Some more trivia. Piper's Ferrari (chassis #0854) was also referred as a P3/412P, a P3/P4 or simply as a 412P. I think that the two last designations are correct, since this car was an evolution of a 1966 P3 with parts from the newer P4, which enabled Piper to use the new (and bigger) Campagnolo wheel rims with the characteristic star shaped centre, allowing the use of bigger tyres. The 412P used the carburettors and not the mechanical injection of the P4 models.

Kind regards,

Russell
 
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