Racr Coordinator Race Progression

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Lannoc

Discussion Starter · Feb 24, 2022

Hi,

Just checking to see if anyone has used the 'Event' to advance drivers from groups in to a new race.

It looks to me as if the 'Min Advancing' box in Race Setup has no effect on the number to the number that appear in the next race.

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I've tried a few experiments and it seems that the drivers advancing in the Event tab, is the one that controls it, irrespective of what is in the Race Setup.

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Is that the case or am I misunderstanding something? I'd like it to be controlled in the Race Setup because the number of drivers in the next round would then be determined by the number of groups, rather than me manually configuring it every time. If that makes sense....

Thanks,

Connal

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Race Coordinator

· #2 · Feb 25, 2022

If you hit help on the group tab you'll get more information on each field.

Groups are a very special way of organizing the drivers and calculating the standings. They were originally put in to show you could run an entire HOPRA style race event within RC. Since then people use them for all kinds of things, but they're not terribly common.

The min advancing number in the group tab specifies how many drivers from each group should be put to the top of the leader board regardless of their actual performance. For example, if it's set to 1, and you have 3 groups, the top 3 drivers on the leader board will be 1 driver from each group even if the first group had all the drivers with the best times/lap counts.

The event configuration itself controls how many drivers qualify to move on to the next race in the event. In my example above, if you wanted one driver from each group in your next race to compete in a final like race you'd set the number of advancing drivers to 3 in the event itself.

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spareroomracing

· #3 · Feb 28, 2022

The way I handled it was to add two races to one event. One of those events being a “main” with the step up option enabled. Once the first race finished the “main” would start using the points from the race before.

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Lannoc

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 28, 2022

Dave, Thanks - it's a subtle distinction, I think and one I will have to ponder to fully get to grips with but I get what youare saying.

SRR - Dave has explained the step-up thingy before and I kinda get it but... Please can you (or someone) explain (in words of one syllable or fewer) how step-up works (ideally with examples) and how it fits in to heats and finals? I think this is the solution to a different problem I have but don't fully understand it enough to be sure. Better still, does someone have an example in an rc.db file they could send me? I use digital RC but I could install the analogue version, if that's what people have.

Thanks a lot.

Connal

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spareroomracing

· #5 · Feb 28, 2022

Lannoc said:
SRR - Dave has explained the step-up thingy before and I kinda get it but... Please can you (or someone) explain (in words of one syllable or fewer) how step-up works (ideally with examples) and how it fits in to heats and finals? I think this is the solution to a different problem I have but don't fully understand it enough to be sure.

Thanks a lot.

Connal

Well I am not 100% sure my suggestion will work for you. But I will do my best to answer your follow up question.

If you had a single 10 heat race setup. Then at the end of that race all 10 drivers would advance to the main based on how they finished in the race.

The first heat within the main would be the last 4 drivers(4 lane track) with the next heat being 3 drivers and 1 step up(winner from the first heat) and so on

I would suggest setting up a race that uses step up and see what the heat list looks like to get a better idea. When I was learning RC I did a lot of demo races as well

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Lannoc

Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 1, 2022

Race Coordinator said:
If you hit help on the group tab you'll get more information on each field.

Groups are a very special way of organizing the drivers and calculating the standings. They were originally put in to show you could run an entire HOPRA style race event within RC. Since then people use them for all kinds of things, but they're not terribly common.

The min advancing number in the group tab specifies how many drivers from each group should be put to the top of the leader board regardless of their actual performance. For example, if it's set to 1, and you have 3 groups, the top 3 drivers on the leader board will be 1 driver from each group even if the first group had all the drivers with the best times/lap counts.

The event configuration itself controls how many drivers qualify to move on to the next race in the event. In my example above, if you wanted one driver from each group in your next race to compete in a final like race you'd set the number of advancing drivers to 3 in the event itself.

ok. so the two work in tandem. I'll have a play with this, so I can get it 'fixed' in my head. Thanks

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Lannoc

Discussion Starter · #7 · Mar 1, 2022

spareroomracing said:
Well I am not 100% sure my suggestion will work for you. But I will do my best to answer your follow up question.

If you had a single 10 heat race setup. Then at the end of that race all 10 drivers would advance to the main based on how they finished in the race.

The first heat within the main would be the last 4 drivers(4 lane track) with the next heat being 3 drivers and 1 step up(winner from the first heat) and so on

I would suggest setting up a race that uses step up and see what the heat list looks like to get a better idea. When I was learning RC I did a lot of demo races as well

I had a good play with this today and I finally got my head round it, I think, though there are a couple of anomolies that I haven't got straight. Sometimes the total lap time counts in the final, so the driver that has stepped up can never win the final because the total lap time isn't reset. I don't know if this is a particular permutation or it's a bug. I also think there is a (convoluted) bug, which means that only 3 drivers show on the xaml page, when there are actually 4 in the heats.

I like the idea of having the seeding round, with the top 'x' going through to the final and the rest getting a second chance. What I couldn't figure out, though, was how, if there are 4 in a round robin final, how to rotate those 4. The last 4 always appeared in the same order. Have I missed a setting somewhere?

I think Race Coordinator is great, though. I keep finding things that I didn't know it did!

Thanks

Connal

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spareroomracing

· #8 · Mar 1, 2022

I noticed the points issue last night as well during our club race but at that stage of the night it’s pretty obvious who the winner is

but it was smooth sailing we did 7 rounds then at the end we have a 4 driver B main with the winner stepping up to the A main.

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Race Coordinator

· #9 · Mar 1, 2022

@Connal, none of the step stats should carry over between steps. That is, once a driver advances all their data should be reset. It's very possible you're the first person to try. a step up race based on total time and the time isn't being reset properly.

Showing only 3 of 4 drivers also sounds like a bug although if you're using a custom xaml file all bets are off.

If you send me an email ([email protected]) I'll send you instructions so I can take a closer look.

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Lannoc

Discussion Starter · #10 · Mar 2, 2022

Race Coordinator said:
@Connal, none of the step stats should carry over between steps. That is, once a driver advances all their data should be reset. It's very possible you're the first person to try. a step up race based on total time and the time isn't being reset properly.

Showing only 3 of 4 drivers also sounds like a bug although if you're using a custom xaml file all bets are off.

If you send me an email ([email protected]) I'll send you instructions so I can take a closer look.

Hi Dave,

I'll email you separately but it was an out-of-the-box xaml file. In fact it was the default one.

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Race Coordinator

· #11 · Mar 2, 2022

Yeah, I see what's happening with the display only showing 3 drivers. I have it fixed. It's just a matter of a new release.

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spareroomracing

· #12 · Mar 2, 2022

Race Coordinator said:
Yeah, I see what's happening with the display only showing 3 drivers. I have it fixed. It's just a matter of a new release.

Will this update and feature updates contain the 2 lane fix for the ds200 systems ? Hehe

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Race Coordinator

· #13 · Mar 3, 2022

We're currently testing RCD in private beta. I can email links to anybody who wants it but its so far shown crashes and such so it's too unstable for a release on my site. The more people testing the faster I release it publically and I've already fixed one crash.

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