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Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone knows of a Slot Car Rarity List.

A list containing aspects such as rarity ratings, 1-10 (10 being extremely rare)

Might even contain collectors comments, country of origin, current value etc..

I`m guessing such a list would be massive .... but not impossible.

p.s In some respects, I guess this collectors corner is one big list.. just not quite sorted.

If not... perhaps I shall start such a list.. After all, I do have a life time in front of me to gather the info required
 

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hi
rarest slot car from my limited understanding of the collectors view point is the bugatti type 59 race tuned version.
 

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Not agree with that,

I think, any prototype,
or factory handpaint study model, is even rarer than a Bugatti,.
 

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thanx Bigbird.. Looks like I have one rarity topping my list so far
 

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Are you talking about just Scalextric type cars, or all slot cars?

There was a rarity list in the first couple editions of the Roger Gillham book, but not in the latest I believe. And many years ago, the NSCC also published a list - but these things are so varying, that a list is not always that helpful. And a guy here in France has done the same thing for Jouef cars.

Also, as important as rarity is desirability, hence the Bugatti... The Cox Chaparral 2E MIB magnesisum chassis version is probably considered about as valuable as the Bugatti.

Don
 

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oh... I guess this means, I may need to incorporate a clause within the list for `exceptional circumstances`


I believe a database of all cars would be near impossible to keep track of.. but having said that

I also believe that since a cars availability fluctuates to some extent ( a bit like the stock exchange) this would make it feasible to generate a dynamic web site where

users can add information. but not directly as some users information may not be credible.

This can cause all sorts of controversial implications. So taking this into account a data list that is then approved on a monthly or quarterly basis by a higher regulated body.

dgersh: thaks for the info .. I`ll try tracking down the Roger Gillham book. NSSC might be the go.

Ahhh... yes desirability vs rarity. (whole new thread right there )
 

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In my opinion, a "rarity" listing cannot include any factory prototypes or hand-built cars, because these are effectively "one offs" and do not qualify for such a listing since they are "unique", and not really "rare" if someone owns any of them.

A "rarity" listing can only incorporate, genuine PRODUCTION cars available for purchase to the public.

Hence I believe that the term "rare" used for a one-off model is simply silly.

As far as rarities, of course the Scalextric Bug Type 59 is scarce, but if one wants to buy one, he can find one, it is not THAT rare, and enough of them have shown in auctions over the past 10 years alone as to question the "rare" moniker. I personally place them as "scarce".
As an example, the aforementioned Cox Chaparral 2E "mag" INTACT kit is much rarer, even if the built cars are legions.
Rarity also has to go par with "desirability". I personally could not care less if some ugly plastic blob with mickey-mouse motor and chassis produced in the day in the Soviet Empire for consumption by happy little socialist-paradise children is rare or not.

Of all the slot cars produced on the planet in the day and today (not talking about the "serialized, numbered, limited editions" from recent years by dubious manufacturers than ended falling on their face by manipulating their customers a bit too long), and taking in consideration the Scalex Bug, I would say that the "rarest-most-desirable" will be some of the more difficult to obtain and beautiful Japanese, Italian or American kits and RTR's, of which I can give you this brief and certainly not definitive listing, and any of these models MUST of course include their original intact packaging to qualify, as beaters are a dime a dozen out there.
So, in not any particular order, here is sample of what I consider darn tough to obtain at any price, and please note that the first ones MAY have never been issued, and please, don't think about "rare colors" or "rare variation with some cheap bit of plastic added used as clutch" or some other silly implement:

1/ 1/32 Aurora Buick Demolition Demon RTR (if ever sold to the public) None known to exist at this time.
2/ 1/32 Aurora Mercury Demolition Demon RTR (if ever sold to the public) None known to exist at this time.
3/ 1/24 Carrera Ferrari 330P4 (if ever sold to the public) None known to exist at this time.
4/ 1/24 MPC Dodge Ramcharger (if ever sold to the public) None known to exist at this time.
5/ 1/24 Unicar Mercedes-Benz 280SL kit ???
6/ 1/24 Unicar Porsche 906 kit Have car, need kit!
7/ 1/24 International "Furious Fiat" RTR Have ONE car, know of only ONE other MIB.
8/ 1/24 Unique Mako Shark. Only ONE known to exist, MIB.
9/ 1/24 K&B Ford MK2 RTR. Less than 4 MIB known to exist.
10/ 1/24 Classic "Stinger Roadster" kit. Only ONE known to exist MIB!!!
11/ 1/24 Kal-Kar Chaparral 2D. Only TWO known to exist MIB.
12/ 1/24 BZ Chaparral 2E RTR (if issued beyond the 50 or so samples sent all over the planet, ever seen a box?
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13/ 1/24 Champion Ford Galaxie kit. Only ONE known to exist MIB.
14/ 1/32 Scalextric Bugatti T59. About two dozens known to exist. I don't mean the "Haviland This" and other replicas, I mean the real thing.
15/ 1/32 Aurora Rover-BRM. Russell Sheldon had one.
16/ 1/24 Unicar Berlina Aerodynamica (ever seen a box?
)

Etc. I have a listing of over 2500 kits and RTR just from 1957 through 1972, much of it will be in that new book I am finishing now, and thousands of home-racing cars and kits were produced from 1972 to today, of which really NONE can be considered "rare" because all were built for collectors before being built as toys for tots, regardless of their manufacturers main concern and at the very least, HUNDREDS of each are out there. I also must say that any that feature a hand-cast, resin body do not qualify, as I consider them as "one-offs", for any "rarity" listing.
 

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just to clarify,the one i was thinking about(bugatti t59) is the race tuned version with the power sledge motor.

The other version i would agree with tsrf is scarce and not rare,as typing in the bug prefix into s*** bay usually comes up with one of the many replicas that have been produced over the years.
 

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TSRF : I notice a Ford Demolition Demon sold back in 2009 on e-bay.. so they may still surface from time to time.

I thoroughly agree with you in regards to not including prototypes as rarities.

Look forward to the publishing of your book..... what`s the name and where can I find it once its released ? Will be a great asset to have as I build on my wee car collection.
A friend has the latest Scalextric Edition. I found it a fascinating read. Any other collector related books I really should take a look into ?
 

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Hi Philippe
That is a fantastic list that you have drawn up and very interesting and I understand that you are not a great lover of Scalextric but surely you are using a double standard here as from my understanding there are no mint in box Scalextric Buggati's known to exist so please let us keep a level playing field.
john
 

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The Aurora Demolition Demon that sold on eBay was if I recall correctly, just the body of the 1/24 scale static kit. And i think that the LASCM bought it.
The title of the book will be "Electric Dreams" just like the company that finances it. So it will be easy to find. Publishing date in time for Xmas 2011.
Other books are tough to find right now on the subject, as most are sold out, but if you search on Amazon with the "slot" moniker, some will come up.
There are quite a few good vintage books out there such as the Greenslade published in the late 1980's but some are a bit hard to find.
 

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QUOTE there are no mint in box Scalextric Buggati's known to exist so please let us keep a level playing field.
Hi John,
First, I do not dislike Scalextric cars, I like some better than others. Next, if "no mint in box Scalextric Buggati's known to exist", what to do with the one at the LASCM, or the one that was offered to me 3 years ago in the north of France, both mint, unused in their original boxes, with the paperwork?

I also have seen at least two offered a few years back at vectis and Mint & Boxed, with their original boxes. also know of collectors who have the box with theirs.

Here is the one from the LASCM, sorry I do not have the pic of the box that is stored separately if I recall correctly, but this shows the unused car sitting on its paperwork:

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Best regards,

Philippe
 

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The 1998 fourth edition of the Gillham Scalextric books that Don mentioned has a rarity rating column in the general list of British catalogue cars (including company imports from Spain and France). He has separate lists of Spanish and French catalogue cars where he doesn't attempt to rate rarity.
The "rarity factor" runs from 1-6, the 6 being the most rare.
He doesn't try to include "desirability". A specific Electra is rated 5. Before you fall off your chairs, I should point out that he breaks Electras down into seven types.
He obviously knows a vast amount about Scalex production, and his lists cover changes in drivers' head sizes, decal types, wheel sizes and colours, motors, guides and much else.
It verges on trainspotting in the shunting yards, but he does call the rarity factor "a rough guide only".
He was doing it before the mushrooming of on-line auctions - and slot forums - and dealing with just one brand. The mind boggles at the amount of info that would have to be taken into account now. Computers would help but...
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And this is why I do not push too much on my own listing for tiny variations such as the typical hair pulling done by insane Matchbox collectors about 18 variations of a pink color on one particular and otherwise boring model...
 

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I fully agree, Philippe. I was just describing one extraordinary system that DG mentioned, not recommending that it be adopted.
It depended on a vast amount of work over many years, and the "rarity factor" column in the list is only one column after several more useful ones. The info on components and livery is in the list for its own sake, and Roger Gillham's "type" breakdowns are there to make them clear.
If Mickman does start a general database, I'd suggest that only a simpler system would work.
Rarity is low on my own priorities, though I suppose it adds a little if I like the car for itself. I'd never buy one of those Electras, however.
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QUOTE just to clarify,the one i was thinking about(Bugatti t59) is the race tuned version with the power sledge motor.

The Race Tuned C95 Bugatti does not have a power sledge motor, it has a normal race tuned 'black' motor and differs form the C70 Bugatti by having a swivel guide (G20) similar to the one fitted in the power sledge cars.
The C70 has a similar set up to the junior cars with a flag guide and fixed pick up braids.

There was supposed to be an 'official' Power sledge conversion car and this is believed to exist but I am not sure who owns it.
Very few, perhaps just a couple, Bugattis were supplied in boxes, there are a lot of fakes, I have only ever seen one box that I think was correct.

If we are talking rare Scalextric cars then the CK2 Porsche 904 in 'Mint and still sealed' condition must be the rarest, only one knowing to have survived in this condition.!
 

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QUOTE (scaleslotcars @ 1 Aug 2011, 08:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If we are talking rare Scalextric cars then the CK2 Porsche 904 in 'Mint and still sealed' condition must be the rarest, only one knowing to have survived in this condition.!

You found one then, Phil!

I remember topics like this coming up in the past and you mentioning that you had never heard of a mint one.
 

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Yes Jim, Derek Cooper found one at the NEC Toy Fair a few years ago.
Still the only one known to exist, if anyone else has one I'd love to know, but must be mint and still sealed i.e. never opened and with the instructions decals etc still under the cellophane on the back of the box.

The CK1 in this condition is quite common as a couple of boxful's were found in the back of an old toy shop in France about twenty years ago, along with a couple of boxes of new E5 Aston Marshals cars. (French version)
 

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QUOTE The Race Tuned C95 Bugatti does not have a power sledge motor, it has a normal race tuned 'black' motor and differs form the C70 Bugatti by having a swivel guide (G20) similar to the one fitted in the power sledge cars.
Yep, I was going to say but kept my keyboard shut (it replaced the mouth a few years back...
) as maybe such beast existed and was actually sold to the public...

QUOTE If we are talking rare Scalextric cars then the CK2 Porsche 906 in 'Mint and still sealed' condition must be the rarest, only one knowing to have survived in this condition.!
So what does that make the example at the LASCM?
( and darn, I don't have a picture of it in my files... one more to click next time I get up there!)
See. some things are scarce in certain places, no so in others... for example, we found some Lindberg Porsche 906 kits in Australia and Japan, while virtually none ever surfaced in the USA...


But we can definitely add plenty of cars/kits on the listing and the Scalex CK2 fits the bill.


How about one of these:

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Not so easy either, none of my Italian friends could come up with a MIB example while there are quite a few loose cars out there...

Or this:

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Big bag of cash for the one who brings me one...
 

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Philippe,

Wasn't there someone on ebay a couple years ago selling an IMC Lola? Not in the box of course, but still... or am I thinking of another rare T70 that was probably never released? Something with one of those "quick-release" guides...

Don

PS: Can I have the Unicar?
 
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