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Does anyone else think Christian Horner is a hypocrite?

After slating Ferrari after the 'move over Massa' incident at last years German G.P. and stating he does not do 'team orders' ferrari team orders

Here he is, telling Webber to hold station! Thats a strange take on letting your drivers race each other?? Team orders are ok now

Good to know the Red bull ethic is as hollow as all the other F1 rhetoric......Racing ethics
 

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He should have told Vettel that "Your team mate is faster than you"


Cheers

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Horner did the right thing in his position. Webber needs to decide if he likes being in the second fastest car on the grid or would rather have a challenge and replace Truli at Lotus. Either way, he needs to stop bitching.
 

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QUOTE (honestjudge @ 11 Jul 2011, 20:07) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Does anyone else think Christian Horner is a hypocrite?

After slating Ferrari after the 'move over Massa' incident at last years German G.P. and stating he does not do 'team orders'

If a week in politics is a longtime (as R. Murcdoch's political 'allies'..... know now !), then a season in F1 is whole lifetime.

scalexkid

I suspect that had Mark been leading the championship the same message would have gone to Seb.
 

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I think even if the positions had been reversed the same message would have gone out, championship or not.

Turkey last year showed them what can go wrong
 

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I really do believe that Webber was told to maintain the gap in order to maximise the team points. It's a fact that, given the chance, Webber and Vettel will race each other hard and without quarter so Horner's worst nightmare could easily have come true - both cars in the gravel on the last lap. What else was the reason? To safeguard Vettel's points position in the championship? Really? Who out there truly believes that anyone but Vettel has a chance to win this year? They were team orders in the truest sense of the word "team."
 

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QUOTE (vfr750 @ 12 Jul 2011, 05:36) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>He should have told Vettel that "Your team mate is faster than you"


Kind of agree that this could have been the call. But let's face it, it was never going to happen that way.

Of course, the difference between this incident and the last 'move over Massa' incident is that Team Orders are legal again.

But Red Bull still claim they have Number 1 and Number 2 driver, or more correctly Primary and Support.
 

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the difference is last year team orders were banned while this year they are not
so horner didnt want Webber who kept his tyres better and now second in world championship passing the championship leader Horner favours Vettel both last and this year. Its Vettel who will win the championship this year if it comes down to red bull vs red bull (mind there's a great chance that he will win it anyway). Congratulations to Alonso and Ferrari for the win and that fight between Hamilton and Massa was great
 
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I guess Redbull pay the wages and as with my employer I do what they say.

...and if I was getting paid to race in a an F1 car for that sort of money I would have no probs letting Mr V win, as he is a very nice German.

I think MacLearen ought to test their cars on the ring!

I think JB should have used this MacLearen

Maclaren Techno XT Buggy - Black
 

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John Roche
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Hi Ember,

My tongue was firmly in my cheek. I just can't take the farce that F1 has become seriously anymore.

cheers

John
 

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QUOTE (honestjudge @ 12 Jul 2011, 07:07) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Does anyone else think Christian Horner is a hypocrite?

I know Dirty Harry said "opinions are like (what we sit on) everyone's got one"
but that team order wrecked a late night's viewing of what was otherwise a good race.

I know why Red Bull did it but it doesn't mean I like it
, a race is a race, not a lets drive hard for 71 laps and then slow down and let someone else win!
(team mate or not)
 

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Personally (I only saw the highlights on BBCiplayer) the best bit of the GP was Button on Massa down the Hangar straight and round the outside at Stowe.
Red Bull don't produce exciting races - they dominate qualifying and usually dominate the race - which is great for them but not for the sport - any sport.
Soap box put away now!
 

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It is woth pointing out that sometimes these team orders rebound on teams and natural justice over the machinations of the F! bussinesmen are undone
In the 1999 french GP IRVINe was asked to defer to Scumacher on the last lap which he did (No surprise there then ) in the next race the british gp schumacher breaks his leg and by the end of the season ross brawns/jean todt priority decision cost irvine and ferrari there first drivers championship in twenty years ,still i dont suppose schumi was too worried

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So the question is: Is Mark happy to be number two driver in the top team?
If he were number one driver in a lesser team he would end up far lower in his finishing positions.
 

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They all want to be #1.

Interesting to me Ferrari won a race in which they weren't required to use the harder tire that has been a problem for them.
 

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Not like the old days when Senna or G. Villeneuve would have raced, banged wheels and fought all the way to the finish and the car would be a smouldering ruined mess after it..

F1 looks a little soft now.

Oh well, at least we have the NASCAR Sprint Cup . 7 car pile ups at 250mph as they cross the finish line, thats what I want to see. All the F1 guys were hugging each other at Silverstone. They should go away and play golf.
 

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QUOTE (uksqueezea @ 13 Jul 2011, 09:55) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>All the F1 guys were hugging each other at Silverstone. They should go away and play golf.

Here Here ! Lets see some fair dinkum racing.
 

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All this squabbling & hot air over second place, as Ron used to say, "first of the losers"

QUOTE (Tintop @ 12 Jul 2011, 18:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Interesting to me Ferrari won a race in which they weren't required to use the harder tire that has been a problem for them.
Good point Tintop.
Eddie
 

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Its interesting how most of the responses lean on the emphasis if team orders are correct or not, or the legality of them and the wrongs or rights of having a number one and two driver.

The real point for me was that Horner berated Ferrari for not letting their drivers race each other, yet did exactly this with his last weekend!

Personally, I agree with team orders and having a definite number 1 in the team.
 
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