Satanic (?) digital comparison......

QUOTE go on tell me why I'm wrong...

Well, okay Lotus...

If you are fast enough to lap a car in slot racing, then you are fast enough to change lanes and get by him. You should have changed lanes when you saw yourself approaching him. Now one lane away... you can get by, right? Oh... wait... that would be like.... well.... slot racing!

Perfect point Fergy!!!

Plus on a multi-lane track (like the one I have made my experience with the DAVIC system) there is more than just ONE perfect racing line.
On the 6-lane track there are at least 2 maybe 3 lanes that are perfect.

Now if you are a good driver and you are faster than most of the others you have 3 lanes to choose????
Maybe that is too much choice for some drivers............???!!!

Still fun is for me the major point of this hobby and hey, who has a "long term" experience with a digital system????? Who dares to say he has????????

Nico

Grenzlandslot

Lotus raises some interesting points - not sure how serious he is but, just for FUN, let's have a look at some of them
QUOTE I'm fed up (rant alert!) of everyone sticking up for the slow guys. No one gives a damn about Minardis, why should they care about slow slot racers?
Maybe we SHOULD give a damn about the Minardis?
Would Formula 1 be more or less interesting if the also-rans did not also run?
How interesting would F1 be if limited to, say, just three or four teams?
How much fun would slot racing be if all the also-rans got so fed up that they didn't turn up any more?

QUOTE The compotition is to find the fastest. Faster drivers should therefore be awarded. This can be done by letting them through (a gentlemans way of racing).
'Find the fastest'?
Not at all - anyone can drive 'fast'. The winner is the fastest AND MOST SKILFUL.
If the fast guys are so good, then why do they need nurse-maiding past the slower guys?
Let them do it the hard way, exactly the same as everyone else!

QUOTE The should not be punished by having to go off line to overtake backmarkers. I agree that when racing for position, you must go around the driver in front, because he has every right to block his position, but not when they are a lap down.
There are innumerable arguments about what makes the difference between 'defending the racing line' and 'blocking'. There is NO clear answer and those arguments will never ever end. What difference does 'when a lap down' make? The faster car/driver could quite easily have an incident before the race is over, an incident which may take him out completely or simply make him slower than the driver he has just been nurse-maided past. The ultimate conclusion to this approach is that everyone else should simply stop racing after being overtaken as they are obviously not as fast as the 'fast' guy and should not waste any more time and money so that he can grab the glory without any further competition or taking any risks!

QUOTE Let me ask you, how many times have you been racing and you have come up to lap 'Mr Trigger Happy Exhuberant Youth' who thinks he can stay with you for a lap, and takes you off, because clearly, he can't. I think that is downright out of order, and that kind of behaviour should be punished.
In this situation, 'you' (generalised you), should have the experience, skill and guile to choose the correct time and place to do it safely. 'YOU' are supposed to be the smart one, the fast one, then prove it with your skill and don't expect to have the race handed over to you on a plate! Oh, and don't EVER expect 'Mr Trigger Happy Exhuberant Youth' not to try to emulate any other 'speed crazed moron' in a competitive situation. Using a better driver/faster car as the role model, as a target, as a 'pacer', as the hare in dog race, is simply the best way there is of learning how to get round a circuit fast. Anyone with an ounce of red blood in their veins is going to try their damndest to keep up with the top guy - this is THE classic way improve skills!

QUOTE So I implore you (ooh, look at the fancy words...) reward your fast drivers, don't punish them... or there won't be any point in being fast...
There is a very strong argument to say that there is no kudos in simply being 'fast'. If you can't handle the other traffic, then you are just another 'speed crazed moron' who can't actually drive in the real world which is peopled with other competitive people! If a guy reckons he is 'the best', then he is going to have to keep on proving it, in tough competition, or he will no longer be.
No easy rides!

So, you see, there are always different points of view and counter arguments to everything.
This is what makes discussion so interesting.

tehe...

I realise now that it sounds like I want the race handed to the good drivers... but this isn't what I meant.

Let me ask you, if you are about to get lapped (dunno who this applies to... just assume you are about to get lapped by someone faster than you) and the other guy is in the lane next to you. He is just about level with you as you come into a corner where he is on the outside.
Tell me what you would do:
a ). brake half a straight early, let him though and carry on.
b ). proceed as you would, if he gets knocked off by your sliding back end then so be it, or
c ). purposefully go in deep and try and knock him out, or at the very least block him.

You know what gentlemans answer would be, what's yours?

Okay, how about... You are ahead but on the same lap as someone else. He is acknowledged to be a better driver than you, and the only reason he is behind you is because of an unfortunate pile up in the first lap or so. He is gainingt quickly and will over take on the next corner. What would you do? Answers from above.

Lotus

well i don't understand every thing but i'v got the case last thurday, on a Davic 3h race, i was Second, and i was bored by my controler... we finaly changed it, and every thing came back in the right way.

but when i was with troubles, the third one, who had been came back just one meter behind me was saying each turn

"Putain il me block, s'il était sympa il se pousserai, putain ca fait chier je suis au ralenti..."

that's means... about...

"****e he block me, if he was a good guy he would go away from my line, ****e ****e ****e i'm driving so slow..." (french translation.. sory )

And i'm not agree... first as some said here, if he was so fast and so better than me, he should overtake me without any problem, second, we where in a race and we were racing for the second place, i was defending it, and he was trying to keep it to me, and i think i don't have to let him my line because he is behind me, if we do this, why racing??? why using a changing line system? this system bring the race "traffic jam" simulation...

if someone is behind one who is 10 lap on late, ok, he have to change line and keep the race going, but if they are in the same lap... let the race find it's champion!

other thing, i'm agree to say that if a beginer put (general 'you') 'you' out of the track, most of time it's your fault because you know that he is a beginer, and you have to race with this... i think this is the difference between good pilots and good drivers : both are able to run very fast, but the first one know how to manage a race, with race events...

elicend

@ lotus,
maybe you are driving (competing) with the wrong people....?????
Seems as if you do not know any other way than getting kicked out or kicking out yourself???

Nico

Grenzlandslot

Back to the question that Lotus asked, concerning a faster car approaching a slower car. Assuming I'm driving the slower car (not likely to happen ), I will react differently depending on whether I'm being lapped or racing for position. If being lapped, I will let the faster car go by... on a straight, with a momentary off/on of power, but not in a turn. If it's a race for position, then he will have to work to get by me because I will drive as hard as I can. That doesn't mean I'll intentionally take him out, it just means that he will have to work for it. So basically, I practice 1:1 etiquette when slot racing.

The issue of passing slower cars in digital racing is not quite the same however. You can not expect a slower car to move over. First, there are only a limited number of LC sections, a situation not found in 1:1 racing. Because drivers look ahead when racing (or should!) the faster, approaching driver should become aware of the impending need to make a pass before the slower driver will see it. The faster driver can execute a lane change (or two!) and then pass as would be done on a regular slot track. Asking the slower driver to move over is, in my opinion, unworkable. He is forced to look behind to see a pass coming, ahead to find a LC section, control his own car, and make a lane change safely, all the while travelling at slot car speeds. He is very likely being passed because he lacks the talent of the faster driver and you want to put this responsibility on him?

Lotus, I'd choose answer ( b ) - situation normal, all f..... up! Why should you jeopardize your own race whilst in a turn? It's tricky enough at the best of times, let alone if you upset the car by braking etc. Like Fergy, I'd let them by on a straight.
Mayb that's why Pendle don't want my Dodge Charger competing in their tin top races with the little hot hatches

Mark.

QUOTE Pendle don't want my Dodge Charger competing

"C'mon, Diff, let me by!"

"What d'ya mean?! I'm 2 lanes away!"

"Exactly! C'mon, let me by!"

"Just be glad I'm not racin' the bus, ya whiner!"



I know one unnamed young individual from Wrexham who would pick option ( c ) every time.

arf...

just a precision : put out another car in a digital or a classical system is a mistake (fault!?) and the one who do that have to be punish (stop & go, drive through a slow line...)... i think it's a normal rule and an internationnal rule... even if the one who did this was the first...

after if you are "fighting" for a place... it's the race to protect his place as it's the race to try to keep it... don't you thing it better to win a place that to be given a place? if the "fight" is a fair race with all the necessary etiquet... no pb for me... on a digital or a classical

I just know that if I am going to be overtaken (similarly not likely, ) then I would just let them through. Why bother delaying the inevitable? If by blocking them it means they just get pissed off and take me out, then no-one wins. I'm not gonna screw up someone else's race time just because I'm having a bad one. If I do this then I hope that he'll let me by when I have a good race and he has a bad one. Don't get me wrong, if I think I can hold someone off till the end of the race then I'll try, but I'm not gonna bother blocking someone who will just overtake me anyway... that would make me 'Mr Trigger Happy Exhuberant Youth'...

Am I just being too nice? Or too hopeful that someone will be that nice to me?

It's just that me and my mates at the club have an understanding, every night one of us is quicker than the other two, so instead of trying to take each other out, we leave each other alone and that way almost always one of us three wins, instead of someone else...

I think another reason why my opinion is different is that we race on time rather then points/postitions. This means that getting a good time is dependant on staying on, which only happends when you aren't taken off...

Lotus

well i think in fact we are all agree and i'm ok to say that if i'm on late about one who is behind me i have to let him the line, and i do this because it's fair, but when the both are racing for the same place (ex, 2 and 3 or 1 and 2) i think it's different it's forbidden to deslot the other, to push him or to disturb the pilot, but if you can resist (i don't think block is the good term!) i think you should do : nothing is inevitable in a long race : you don't know he can have mecanical problems, he can be tired before you, he can "deconcentrer" (??? lose his attention...) this is an endurance race and one more time: if the second one is very faster than you, he'll won't have any problem to overtake you, and changing line, overtake, and coming back is a very pleasant thing it's put you... don't know eglish word "as a star"

i think each actuel digital (DAVIC) pilot would tell you the same don't you?

elicend

I must offer thanks to Elicend for expanding my French vernacular - excellent stuff!

Great discussion. Elicend, it is great to hear from over there. I understand you perfectly and welcome your insights.

Merci (One of at least two French words I know. The other ends in "...Fries")

Maltese

thanks !

Elicend.