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destiny is knocking at my door i think!. on sunday i was sat in a friends bonsai garden (hes got 100´s) thinking, this just has to be used in a track somehow, and then today i came across this loco who has built a kind of hill billy town in his back yard around a train track1972 corvette on deviant art

the external miniature garden idea mixing waterable plants with external non rottable electrics???
any thoughts , any ideas,

would be great to let nature do its own weathering
 

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Hi Sig, if it is outside and open to the elements, much as it pains me to suggest something other than slots, small scale R/C may be the way to go as you wont have the lifting/corroding braid/tape problem. And instead of trains, trams, my other hobby, can be run on very twisty tracks which can be left outside.

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thanks greenjo, very interesting indeed, the one bloke there was thinking about using the rails of outdoor traintracks upside down on his surface to avoid expansion issues..which seem to be more important than moisture issues.
the more i think about it, the more i think it should be an exact replica of real life, road ¨concrete¨, soil real soil, plants real growing plants. spectators...real miniature elves....ok maybe not!
bonsais need sun screens and rain filters here to minimise the weather effects, without cutting them out completely, i guess that could be to our advantage too.maybe i´ll tru out a simple figure of 8 or sumat as an experiment
 

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Carrera Evolution/Eksclusiv track is the easy option. I have prepared the way for such a scheme by leaving some Carrera track out in my garden for over 2 years now and it is a s good as it was when it went out there - no tarnishing of the rails, no discolouration or distortion and no brittleness.

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Most of your outdoor trains are internally/battery powered and controlled via remote. The idea of outdoor tracks though tempting has many drawbacks, one suggestion I would make is to do it using Motorific cars (or R/C) This way no electrical problems; all you need do is route the slots. Main problem is then what to route them in??? Some sort of plastic I would veture!??
 

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good info folks.
so would i be correct in assuming that carrera use stainless rails...so they could be chopped up and blended into a concrete surface?, and connection issues if water is between the pieces?
it would appear that the major problem here is the sun not the rain, the sun is a major problem here in summer a thermometer in the sun here goes above 60 degrees centigrade, and then in winter we´re4 at minus 10. so contraction and frost action will be an issue
masmojo never heard of motorific before, heres a link
motorific stuff
and a vid check out the speed trap...ace!

theres a lot of airborne dust here too due to the agriculture so clogged slots could also be an issue...maybe magnetic or rc is the way to go...really don´t want to be dusting down the track every 2 minutes due to connection problems!

hmmmmmmm


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QUOTE (Julian_Boolean @ 27 Apr 2011, 20:11) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If Carrera track can survive two years out doors in Scotland, it's certainly rain proof...

That's true !! LOL.

I just went and had a good poke at it and yes still perfect condition, no sign of brittleness from the (ocassional) sunny weather. Annoyingly the white centre-line is still good also - have tried to remove/cover that a few times.

Yes, the rails are stainless steel - downside of that is that making the power connections is difficult (not solderable without specialist stuff) and I don't think the standard powerbase would be so long lasting - will report back in 2 years time - nawt. Standard trick is to simply stuff the power cable in under the rail. Probably need to use stainless steel wire for outdoors. Separating the rails from the plastic seems a bit ott as you would need to make the running surface fairly flat anyway.

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cheers leo thats very interesting, i´ve got loads of stainless flat bar around here and had never thought that it would conduct electricity (stupidly as i weld it always!!) i guess cos its not magnetic??
anyway, i´ll try a conducivity test with the basic unpolished stuff against the polished and see if theres a difference, setting stainless bar into concrete would not be difficult at all ( i think, and it should last for ever in theory...even drive-overable by real cars if the track is set deep enough.....hmmmm (again!)
 

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zook i was thinking 20 x 3mm flat bar curved and set standing upright into concrete or similar with extractable spacers for the slot which are taken out when the concrete is dry, so the flat bar acts as the formwork for the slot at the same time.
datto yes i think the expansion joints will be an important isuue

theoretically i could chase a slot into any existing flat surface in the garden and electrify it...rug racing but on a driveway!

cheers guys sig
 

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Slots in concrete... nine idea...

20mm x 3mm steel bar... assuming that this would be placed vertically... 3mm may be a bit narrow for good electrical pickup but i'm sure a little experimentation with the top of the bar poking out of the concrete a mm or so may help that... but heat expansion could be a major headache if in the glare of the sun all day and in the cold all night... rigging a small "test" track would probably be the best way to go...

Slots will hold water... water conducts electrricity.... ensuring that the slots are completely dry before racing would be a must... not such a problem in a spanish summer as perhaps in the UK... Think the worst problem you need to plan for would be a stone falling unseen into the slot and getting wedged in... A cars guide blade hitting an obstruction like that would be spectacular as it catapults into the air with the monting point for the guide smashing into 1000 pieces!
 

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I have been pleased to see this thread appear. I have recently returned to slot cars for my entertainment and the benefit of my grandchildren, my only experience of slot cars being as a teenager in the early 60's and with my own children in the late 70's. I have never enjoyed seeing layouts cramped into a corner of a room tail chasing with another of my modelling interests, railways, thus decided to contemplate a garden layout. Initial enquiries were met with comments to the effect that no-one does it because it cannot be done. That was a sufficient challenge to me, but I remained confident that others must have tried it, and lo and behold some have appeared in this thread, thanks.

I have little to offer so far being in the very early development stages. I live on the edge of the Brecon Beacons in South Wales thus my main problems are likely to be rain and cold. I intend to make it modular in order that it can be taken under cover for winter or prolonged periods of bad weather, but it must be capable of withstanding a Welsh summer. Recent unseasonal weather has produced problems of heat rather than the more generally expected rain. I had thought of routing tracks to give realistic curves, but considered that the problems of weatherproofing wood or MDF unsurmountable. I thought through routing plastic, but slot drainage would be a problem. Initially I just wish to 'get something going'. Consequently I have settled on trials with Scalextric track, and have probably inflated its price on the dreaded Ebay by recently purchasing a lot of track. Being too decrepit to crawl around the floor I am laying it on waist high shelving, I am tacking it to the shelving, pulling the joints apart to their maximum tolerance to allow for expansion, and covering the rails with copper self adhesive tape for good conductivity, and to make a smooth transition over rail joints. It has been out in recent heat, dew at nights and at the beginning of April over some frosty nights, the copper does discolour slightly, but this has not affected electrical contact, and in any case a wipe over with either a methylated spirit rag or WD 40 brings back a shine. I am waiting to see how long it will be before the adhesive starts to fail, particular if the steel rail corrodes underneath. The rubber has buckled slightly during the recent hot days, but I only wish to run childproof bangers for the children, or my recently acquired Scalextric classics, D Type, Mercedes and Mini, and an uneven surface makes them appear more realistic. I have reduced power to achieve scale speeds for the later, and prevent my grandchildren from continually coming unstuck.

Once I have ironed out running snags I shall add some 'Goodwood' type scenery in the immediate environs of the track, but the backdrop remains the non descript greenery of garden hedge and bushes, it being in a semi enclosed small area at the side of my house mainly for some cover from weather, and privacy and security for the children. Overwinter I hope to kit build some of the lovely classic cars on the market. Eventually I may well wish to digitise the layout, but shall arrange it so that sections of electrickery wizardry can be easily removed to cover. Other than that I am waiting to solve the next problem, if this thread continues to run I shall add my experiences as and when they arise.
 

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Hi Sig, as you know me I like wood, especially with routed slot...
I think the concrete version would last for years but wouldnt be my choice. I thought about an outdoortrack some time ago, too. If I had to do it, I would do it modular, rout it into watertight ply (used for boats or the stuff that is used for car-trailers (called "sipro" in Germany = watertight ply with brown acrylic coverage on both sides) and cover with Epoxide (2 comp.) like done in Boatbuilding, too. Epodide has to be covered with color ( I guess some kind of grey in this case) because not stable against UV-rays. Then stainless steel braid could be used. www.bahnlitze.de sells it. Would have used 1/24 scale to get better overview in large space of garden. Power-supplies can be done with 12V car battery compensated by car-charger; easy but effective. Modularity would make it easy to stow away if not needed and furthermore save against working too much in summerheat of catalunia (working of both: Track and sig!
) Like the idea! Regards Jens
 
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