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Hi slot racers one and all....

This bank holiday weekend I have broken down my oval layout and with a 4 car powerbase, C7030 PBpro V1.5 and a C7042 APB I go for Christmas I have been testing what was best for me for my new layout. Doing that made me realise what a minefield it is at the moment and thought it might be good to share my thoughts on what the new powerbase can do for different users and whether they should upgrade or not.

These are just my conclusions based on the options I see available to me, cut me down in flames or follow my advice the choice is yours but they are my opinions based on a lot of testing.

I'm an analogue user... What will it do for me.

Well this is an expensive upgrade for you but it will bring a lot to your slot racing... with the powerbase (£100) two C7024 power supplies (£70) two digital throttles (£30) that is a £200 investment...

What do you get for Your money????

Well first of all you get lap counting, timing and several race modes to add some spice to your racing.
You have independent power supply to each lane for smooth racing
Configurable Track calls to slow or stop the race when a car deslots and false start detection
Pace cars giving solo racers a drone car to race against
Easy change of direction of racing round the track and supports drift type cars without problems
You dont need to chip any of your cars

If you buy the new cable from Riko and upgrade the firmware to version 1.04 you can then connect to SSD Console for full Lap reporting and Timing on your PC!

Best of all if you decide that you want to move to digital you can buy a four chips and a couple of straight lane changers for about £100 and go fully digital and switch easily between digital races and analogue races without having to remove the lane changers from the layout.

Go Buy one today its the best advance in Scalextric analogue in years!

I have a 4 Car powerbase should I get a C7042 or a C7030...

If you are already digital with a 4 car Powerbase then it is probably cheaper for you to go with the new advanced powerbase. You will need the powerbase (£100) and one more C7042 (£35) making a total investment of £135. Compared to buying a C7030, getting it upgraded to PBPro +SH & Dual analogue, a lap tower and power supply, total cost around £350 the new powerbase looks like the best option.

The C7042 will give you access to all the powerbase features such as

Lap counting, timing and several race modes to add some spice to your racing.
You have independent power supply to each lane for smooth racing
Configurable Track calls to slow or stop the race when a car deslots and false start detection
Pace cars giving solo racers a drone car to race against
The ability to race with analogue cars and test and race Club cars like NSR's and Slot is at home without chipping them.

With a bit more investment though you can really add to the fun, if you have a PC or laptop you can add SSDC console and Pit pro to your layout this will set you back about £100 but adds a whole new dimension to the racing and you will never look back.

I Have a PBpro V1.5 Build 1.8f but its not got Simple H What should I do...

To Buy a C7042 (£100) and two C7024 power supplies will set you back a total £170... The feature set of the new powerbase is identical to the software you already have in the C7030 in real terms... You already have single analogue drive capability so just buy a laptower from RichG... You then have twin displays (one on the powerbase for programming and the lap tower for timings) the RichG laptower is streets ahead of the Scalextric one in so many ways... If you dont need the twin analogue function get a laptower and stick with what you have.

If you want dual analogue Drive to get your Powerbase to twin analogue with simple H and a lap tower and a decent PSU will cost you £300. To buy the new APB C7042 with 2 x C7024will cost £170 and you can sell your old powerbase to cover some of the cost... If dual analogue is important to you then Its probably best to change to the new powerbase.

If you already have a pit pro and SSDC things change a bit. If you get the dual analogue mod done all your existing PC setup and Leads will work... If you get the new APB it will cost you £20 to upgrade to SSDC V5, and another £30 for the lead to the new powerbase... so the cost differential is not that great... (£80) Personally I would stick with the C7030 get simple H Dual Analogue and a laptower as the simple H power delivery is so much better and the laptower is so much prettier and you have twin displays... The Guys will support you for years to come... No need to change.

I Have a PBpro with simple H and good PSU what should I do...
This is a no brainer... get Riko to do the dual analogue mod and buy a laptower if you don't already have one... it will be cheaper for you than changing to a C7042 and you have all the greatest Scalextric bits ever made... Look down on those APB owners and laugh... Knowing that you had that software years ago, you have all the features, better power delivery, a laptower you can see in the dark and a separate programming display on the powerbase

So there you go its a simple case of what you already own...

Now with that decision made its back to planning my new layout....

Oh what did I do?

Because I had not invested in the simple H mod, nor got SSDC or the cables to connect to a PC, I want dual analogue drive and I got an APB for Xmas from my lovely Girlfriend... New Powerbase won the day but I will miss my Rich G Laptower a lot.

byeeee
 

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Cheers guys....

Having put my PBPro up for sale the number of PM's I had asking what it did compared to the APB that i thought a summary may be useful to many....

I Understand that there are still stocks of the robot power boards for a good few PB's Yet and Riko is still a fan of the dual analogue mod so with a bit of arm twsting pleading and financial encouragement he will probably do it for you. if he has the time...

As for the lap towers I understand that rich has enough laptower bits for another 10 or so... There is a lot of soldering work in building those but they are a superb but of kit and worth every penny despite the three figure price. If you have a C7030 get one before its too late.

Forums are a great place for info on this kind of stuff as what is best moves on a month by month basis with each new trick unlocked.. No book could ever keep up in a years time I'm sure the reasons will be different again.

Its nice to give those new to the hobby a bit of guidance... We all need it sometimes.
 

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QUOTE (sealevel @ 4 Jan 2011, 05:08) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In my case I got the C7030 with PB-Pro + SH, the lap tower, and Pit-Pro. I do not plan to get the 2 lane analogue mod because I could get the APB for less, PROVIDING I desire to run analogue.

Gordon one of the biggest costs of the two lane alanlogue mod is the robot power board which costs about £60... you already have one of those!... With an APB costing £100 and the power supplies costing £70 i can assure you that you could get the two lane analogue mod done for way less than that including the shipping... There is a myth that these upgrades are really expensive... They aren't... but it would be unfair of me to put a number to it... PM Riko if you are interested honestly you would be surprised... The bulk of the work is already done...

Its just weighing up the downside of the theoretical 8amp limit on the relays against the 25amp raw power of the standard mod... against how often you may run analogue cars.

But they do take time... I admire RichG AWallace and RikoRocket for the time they put into the hobby to make our racing more fun... and i'm sure there are many more that i forgot to thank here.
 

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QUOTE (JamboRossi79 @ 4 Jan 2011, 19:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm sure that I read that you could use a Toshiba laptop charger as long as it had the correct output etc for use with the 7042 or at least I hope so since I got one off ebay pretty cheaply.

I have ordered two of those myself to try... One will ultimately power my 4 car powerbase on my work bench... the other... well they were so cheap why buy 1?

Luckily I have 2 C7024's thanks to scalexxkid and one i already had with my 4 car PB.
 

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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
I have some bad news...

None of the Digital lane change challenges had a V1.5 in them... sad fact i know but unless somebody has "swapped" it out for a V1.5 at some point you will probably be dissapointed.

A V1.5 costs £25 to upgrade to PBPro... Will give you all the functionality of the APB except dual analogue drive,

A V1.2/3/4 costs about £125ish to upgrade to PBPro & SH.... again with single analogue drive and another few pounds to have the dual analogue mod done in addition.

How much would you consider acceptable to upgrade to Pbpro?... Just see if i can suggest anything else you could do with that much cash oh and where are you?
 

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QUOTE (davekp @ 3 Feb 2011, 10:07) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I bought two of these and they were both v1.5

Interesting that... there can't have been that many like that as the sets had the old style CLC's with the loose exit flippers... The "Fixed" CLC exit flippers appeared about the same time as the V1.5... did they come with the Fixed CLC's as well... If they did that would be an easy way to tell the PB Version inside...

Ive bought 3 and all were V1.2 & 1.4's... I was advised the only way to get a V1.5 is to buy one that was "Solo boxed"...
 

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He he he he....

I have a PBpro V1.5.... I'm intending to use the APB for my new loft layout BUT i will be hanging on to my V1.5 just in case... I know if i can convince Riko to do the dual analogue mod for me and the SH at the same time i will have the best of both worlds then buy a "massive PSU"... It would be the more powerful option.

I like the idea of blazing a trail with the new APB pushed to its limits... But with that much building involved I really do not want to run without a safety net... at least the cost of the conversion can be covered by the sale of the APB and PSU's if necessary... then i will just need a new lap tower... doh!

My only concern is the power loss ben (BBENSCA) noticed at the club with the APB compared to the normal SH Setup... seeing him saturday so will get the lowdown on his experiences first hand.
 

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QUOTE (distantkiwi @ 3 Feb 2011, 21:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As lovely as your explanation of all the options was, you missed my situation.
PB-Pro, S-H, Lap Tower, SSDC v4, always racing 6 cars but would love the Race Series option that comes with SSDC v5.

Trev, I was in the same position as you... If dual analogue is important to you... I would reccomend the SH/Dual analogue mod to your PB...

Mainly because if you upgrade to the APB and use SSDC the PC cable plugs in where the "Naff" laptower plugs in and you lose it???? as SSDC takes over full control of the PB... Then you would need a new cable £30 and a SSDC Upgrade £20...

The dual analogue mod will put more power to the lanes 8 amps per lane instead of 2.5 amps per lane... But your "round the world postage needs to be factored in" but you probably already have the cable and SSDC V4.

There is an issue with the new APB i'm still not sure of for a big layout... In digital mode you get 5amps... but I'm not sure if thats still 2.5 Amps per lane as in analogue mode... If it is (based on how the relays are in the circuit it seems to be the case)... you could find times when 6 cars are in a single lane with only 2.5 amps between them... This is what scares me!!! It may or may not be a problem... only one way to tell for sure... try it!
 

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Discussion Starter · #35 ·
Nice explination Rich...

So the APB regulates the amps it outputs at a single point before the current is divided between the lanes... so uneven amounts of current can be pulled happily only being capped when both lanes are added together.... Thats cool.

So looks like the full amps are available in a single lane...in both modes.... so i should be ok!!! yipeee

Thanks as always rich
 

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oh ade dont.... I've been suffering that all evening!

I have just been rug racing with my APB to test the amps problem...

I stopped in the model shop to pick up a couple of R3's i didn't need for the layout just so i could build an all R3 setup on the rug... still my local shop has 20% OFF stock at 2 yr old prices walked out with a bag full of obscure bits for just over £50... got home at list that was almost 40% of current retail!!!! gotta love those guys at Gt Eastern in Norwich... just a shame they are giving up stocking scalextric.

Anyway back to the point... Trying to get six pace cars to run around even a large oval without nerfing took some fine tuning... but... in the end i managed to get them all up and running without making contact for 20 laps or so... The cars were about 60% of top speed on the edge of sliding 2xlighted F430 and 4xSR F430 all with magnets... so a pretty heavy load all running as pace cars... 2x C7042 PSU's... Vanilla .84 APB.

One car on its own was lapping between 2.55 and 2.60 seconds... consistantly

Six cars all in the same lane were lapping between 2.7 and 2.75 seconds consistantly...

Thats 0.15 drop in lap time... therefore a performance drop of about 7% between a single car and a full grid running pretty quick.... I could barely grab a car as it passed to take them off!!!! so this was a pretty good load test... will post more on my "build thread". click the Highlands link in my signiture.
 

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QUOTE (RichG @ 5 Feb 2011, 08:26) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sounds about right. but there is a 7% drop in output voltage when the APB Powerbase is driving 2.5 Amps to the track. For comparison a standard C7030 would see a 34% change and an S-H unit 2%.

You have to love science when real world test confirm the bench tests...

I agree there must be a non linear relationship and the "speed" differential at top speed... the difference would probably be greater at full throttle as some of the "amps" would be wasted through the motor creating more noise and heat at the highest voltages

There are very few occasions when all six cars have more than 60% throttle at exactly the same time... (Except for BBENSCA!) most home setups rarely have more than 4 racers and a couple of pace cars bigger differences will probably be unimportant.

Cheers rich
 
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