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No 1:1 RWD/4WD references allowed. Me and my mate just raced for 20 minutes doing about 70 laps with stock non tuned Scaley GT40 RWD and SCX Impreza 4WD on my track. It has a lot of twists but also has a U-shaped bend with good getaways off both ends for acceleration. It was very evenly balanced until the motors warmed up. My Suby 4WD beat the GT40 on every corner but only slightly, I won in the end. Upon driving each car seperately, they both seemed equally quick racing on the limit. Lots of fun tailspin on the GT40 though! What are your favourite cars? I overall like both as they both have their advantages on the slot track.
 

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I personally find that the SCX 4WD cars run no better than their 2WD cars or if they do the difference is indicernable. The extra friction within the running gear probably counters any benefit. Try running the SCX cars in front wheel drive only. This experiment will tell you all you need to know.

The Ninco cars though that feature 4WD, suspension and the floating arm guide really do give the impression that the 4WD is a benefit if done properly and I believe that there are clubs that have banned these arrangements as they are considered to give the driver too much of an advantage.

Any pairing of cars that give good, close, exciting racing is a good thing and in my mind it does not matter if the cars are missmatched class wise. The GT40 will beat the SCX Subaru on a track with lots of long straights but on a tight circuit with lots of sharp curves then the racing will be a lot closer.

In fact lots of curves and hardly any straights will offer up very even and close racing for almost any pairing of cars no matter what the state of tune is.


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My friend was using my GT40 and I could certainly go quicker than him on the corners but maybe that was because has wan't pushing the car to the limit. I will shop around for a cheap 4WD Ninco car. Can you recommend a good one?

I have seen the Ninco Subaru WRC 2003 'New Zealand' Pro-Race (50328). Pro-Race Subaru from Ninco, Features improved chassis, NC-6 "Crusher" motor, hardened axles, double 4WD transmission, ball bearings, metric screws and gold OZ Racing hubs.

I have also seen the Ninco Ford Ranger Pro Truck 'BF Goodrich' Pick Up (50326). Features an NC-7 "Raider" motor-19,300 RPM, Proshock (Yellow/hard) Suspension and Proarm guide.

Which of the two do you think would be quicker?

I was also thinking of getting a Slot It Porsche Blue 956. Do you think it would gain much over a Scaley GT40 on a track mainly made of curves but with 2x3 full straight getaways. I don't think it would ever get up to much speed and would therefore not make much ground?

After playing with the GT40 on the track later, I floored it on my relatively short straight and it raced to the end with immense acceleration. If I raced with somebody who drive just like me and one of us used the GT40 and the other, the Impreza, I think it would be very close.
 

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Would it?

On a short twisting home circuit with standard set power I remain to be convinced.

The Slot.It cars are fine club cars but have there not been a few issues on small twisting circuits in connection with the Slot.It cars being very tail happy in stock trim?

Not that I am complaining as this can be fun but a tail happy car generally is a slow car.

My Slot.It Audi that I took up to Wrexham would have been hopelessly uncompetitive as a result of this and it was only the car loaned by Phil that had been set up for the circuit (with Otomann tyres) that saved the day.

We still came last though but only by 3 laps.

I do suspect that out friend above is running with magnets and if this is the case I still feel that the GT40 would give the Slot.It a very good run for its money on a tight twisting home circuit.

This type of circuit is an "Equalizer" and it could well require a very well set up car to gain any advantage over any other car no matter who makes it or what type of car it is.

Whatever, the MG Lola with magnets will beat anything on this type of circuit even with its relatively low powered motor!



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Ortman tyres are the only tyres that are effective on Sport track.
However, they are rubbish on any other track.
(In my experience)

So Slot.It cars are great (with loads of grip) on Classic, SCX, Ninco, Carrera and routed track.

I'd say that the Slot.It cars would eat the GT40's, because both the Fly and Scalextric ones have difficulty in keeping their noses down when running without mags.

McLaren

PS. QUOTE a tail happy car generally is a slow car

Did you hear that Rob?

PPS. Add some more why don't you...

Fact: Fly Lola will beat a Scalex Lola on any track.

Maybe not a fact.... but IMO...
 

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QUOTE Ortman tyres are the only tyres that are effective on Sport track.
However, they are rubbish on any other track.

They are also great on Carrera, less responsive on Classic, worse on SCX and terrible on Ninco.
They also do not like wood too much but then a good sponge tyre takes some beating on wood, assuming you are not spraying gooey slop all over your track each night tha tis


Mope, I would put a standard Slot.It car (any) against any standard Scalextric car, with nothing but the magnet removed, on any track with any power any day


Might even do it with magnets still in come to think of it.
 

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QUOTE (moped rider @ 3 Sep 2004, 11:16)Would it?
Yes, beacause they have better grip. That means more 'straight line time' and better power to forward motion ratio.
 

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QUOTE That means more 'straight line time' and better power to forward motion ratio.

Agreed as far as 'straight line time' goes but the the thread relates to a weavy winding home circuit with hardly any straight track so 'straight line time' may not be relevant. SPORT track is marginally grippier than Carrera although Carrera users generally use wider radius curves to permitting faster cornering to compensate.

As an aside I would have thought a perfectly flat track surface without any pimples would allow tyres that are properly set up and of the appropriate compound to do a better job than a track surface with pimples.

QUOTE Mope, I would put a standard Slot.It car (any) against any standard Scalextric car, with nothing but the magnet removed, on any track with any power any day

Again the circumstances of the circuit described above could make it interesting but there again Scalextric always have a disadvantage in any challenge like this as they are a "benchmark" and if a manufacturer can offer up a car that can "beat a Scalextric" then from a marketing point of view it all becomes very simple!


What if Scalextric produced a car that could "beat a Slot.It"?

I am sure that they could but do they want to?



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With regards to pimples verses no pimples:

Pimples are better for those with hard-medium, treaded and unprepared tyres.

No pimples are better for soft, slick and treated tyres.

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On the 4wd/rwd subject, I have a matching set of SCX IMSA (old US sports car series) GTO cars. One is a rwd Ferrari F40 and the other is a 4wd Audi 90. I saw the 1:1 versions do battle at Laguna Seca in 1990. Jean Alesi in the F40 lead until the rear Pirellis went away, then Hans Stuck in the Audi took over. A great race!

Running non mag on a 50ft Sport track with a 9ft straight and lots of turns, they are very close. The F40 has a bit more top end speed, while the Audi has awesome brakes. I think the main advantage of 4wd is actually braking. The F40 does have treaded tires, while the Audi has large slicks on all 4 corners. They both require to be driven, but the Audi is full throttle more often. They are some of my favorite cars.

Max, I have a Ninco 4wd Porsche 911 rally car with an NC-2 motor that is very quick and I've seen them discounted. I would recommend it. Also, the Cartrix Hyundai rally cars are very quick. I have a rwd version, but the 4wds are supposed to have even quicker motors. This might be too much, as the NC-2 size motor in mine is very powerful.
 

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I am racing with magnets because I'm just a home racer and just enjoy the odd race with my friends. I have been offered a very good deal for a Fly Truck, Slot It Porsche and Scaley Mustang and am not sure if it is worth getting the Porsche because my track is twisty but you can still go round it very quick. The price for these 3 cars is £40 less than the total RRP but they are all in mint condition. I think because my Birthday is coming soon, I might just get all 3 because of the fact that you can keep a great speed up on the track. Having driven on my track many times, I think because of the fact that you can keep up a great speed means that the Slot It would still get away. Please send me a PM if you would like a pic of the track if you think you would be able to judge on whether the Slot It would gain speed on the GT40 upon actually seeing the track. I think it would give you guys a far better idea on the track I am talking about as there has been a lot of discussion about the type of track I am running it on. I am only interested in out of the box cars-I'm not looking to modify them at all-this may also help you make a better decision. Thank you for all your information on the subject.

Is this one of the Ninco 4WD Porsche Rally cars: 911
 

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I have nowhere to post the images from, they are loaded on my PC. So the Hyperlink I put in my last post of the yellow 911 is of a 4WD rally version then with an NC-2 motor? Would it be quick on my track? I will try and upload a picture of it somewhere.
 

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Why not sign up to a free photo host and then download (upload?) the pictures to the host?

Once the images are downloaded (uploaded?) to the host you can then post them at Slotforum using the "IMG" button above and placing the url of the picture in between the "IMG" tags.

I think there are some instructions at the bottom.

Alternatively email the files to somebody who can do this for you. I would do it but I am off to Scotland very shortly (the whole of the Slotforum membership is off to Scotland it would seem!).


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PS MK2-ESCORT has provided a link to a host so problem solved.
 
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