[UshCha]

All the slot its we race currently have magnetic suspension. However for new cars I bought some spring sets but they do not fit inline chasis pods. So to kill 2 birds with one stone. Can I go to angle winder on a standard Porsche 956 with current motor and fit spring suspension. If so what part Pod number do I need there is so many and the discription is not helpful even on the Slot.It site.

PS it would be good to know what the Sauber and Mazda 787 angle winder motor pods were and if the spring suspension would fit them after the change.

Thanks in advance.

 

[slotcrazy]

Howdie

the anglewinder pods in various amounts of offset are designed for boxer and flat S long can motors.

I would suggest you go sidewinder, which works very well in the 956. My Slot.it Shootout proxy car in 2010 was a sidewinder, no offset, and spring suspension mounted on the rear pod mounts.
This used a CH40 sidewinder pod with no offset. If you cannot get that pod anymore, the CH62 sidewinder pod with 0.5mm of offset MAY work, but usually a cheaper way to purchase the parts required is a KK13 kit, which has the CH40 pod plus spur and pinion, or the replacement KK13b kit which has the CH62 pod with 0.5mm offset includes spur and pinion. [if these wil fit]

I have never actually fitted a 0.5mm offset pod to a 956 or 956KH, so do ask your dealer to confirm that these will be compatible, as the Slot.it site indicates that you cannot use the 0.5mm offset under this model - may lack clearance as the wheels are raised 0.5mm higher in the wheel arch.
http://www.slot.it/INGLESE/Models/sk_CA09a.html

All the Group C cars (can) use the same parts pool in this regard (fit restrictions excepted)
Newer models like the CA19 toyota and CA21 Lancia LC2-85 incorporate 0.5mm offset pods as standard for their design.

I have seen some people use the suspension kits in the front of the pod instead, and surprisingly (to me) it worked as well as the rear mount method - I guess some spring dampening was effective for either end of the pod.

However if you are using magnets, the spring suspension has much less effectiveness.

 

[UshCha]

Thanks for that. we run no mag so it will be ineteresting. In reality we only change bits if it makes the hadeling better. The cars are well matched with Scaley motors. The mag suspension was again fitted out of curiosity. The results were so outstanding on my bumpy scaley track that we standardised on it. We love tinkering hence spring suspension and actually sidewinder configurtion.

 

[highbarn]

Just a couple of extra points to bear in mind.

Older 956s come with standard wheels which are a very tight fit due to the extra track width of an anglewinder. New 956s have the narrow hubs and work fine.

Standard 956 hubs are 15.8mm dia. and are best suited to 0mm offset pods. They will work with 0.5mm offset but not that well with 1mm as there is virtually zero track clearance.

If you're new to anglewinder try the Flat6 motors, they keep the COG low and have good magnetic attraction so will work well on Scalex Sport.

In case you only want to try suspension you can now get a universal suspension kit that works with in-line setups SICH47B

 

[f1rem0uth]

I had a hard time getting the 956 to run anglewinder but that was on Scalectric track with magnet and stock wheels, I tried various offset/non offset pods. The anglewinder pod you need is SICH61 Evo6, 0.0 offset, if that is the way you want to go with the set up with stock wheels, or SICH60 0.5mm offset but you will need bigger wheels of fatter tyres - due to the offset.

BUT - don't forget anglewinder uses a different type of motor, so I would go with sidewinder and you can use the same motor.

I set mine up it up sidewinder and it works a treat, with 0.5mm offset pod(SICH63, Evo 6), and 16.5mm wheels front and rear, low pro zero grip front and yellow dogs rear tyres, I think they are the 1403 size, I always loose track of the sizes, lol, as they aren't marked, and I use/have most of the sizes in the range.

You could use the stock 15mm wheels with fatter tyres, but for some reason it just didn't work.

This car was is tricky to get right, but then I am running it at home on Scalextric track with magnet. 10/34 gearing, independent hollow front axle.

Oh and forgot to say it has the slot.it spring suspension with medium springs and all brass screws on the car, but I won't go into the screw set-up as I'll be here all day, unless you want to know.

I spent a good few weeks experimenting with setting up this car, until I was happy. Next I'm gonna swap out the orange motor and try a Teal one, which I think will be better suited for this car.

And yes you can use suspension with in-line set-up, just use 2 screws and springs, BUT - you need some nuts on the top and I had to use the ones from the Slotting Plus suspension screws, although Slot.it have now brought out their own version of the nut and also the new in-line suspension kit.

 

[f1rem0uth]

QUOTE (slotcrazy @ 25 Mar 2012, 20:02) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have never actually fitted a 0.5mm offset pod to a 956 or 956KH, so do ask your dealer to confirm that these will be compatible, as the Slot.it site indicates that you cannot use the 0.5mm offset under this model - may lack clearance as the wheels are raised 0.5mm higher in the wheel arch.

You are correct, BUT -you can use the 0.5mm offset pod on the 956 but you will need to use 16.5mm wheels to compensate for the offset.

Note, some of the new Slot.it cars come with this pod and wheel combo as standard now.

 

[Flange]

The mazda has the most room for suspension

also if you get offset mount then keep the smaller wheels it will lower your ride height

 

[f1rem0uth]

I forgot to say Slot.it have released or are about to release a new anglewinder pod with a magnet position under the rear axle, this would work a lot better on Scalextric track than with the magnet in the centre as on the currently available anglewinder pods.

Problem with the currently available anglewinder offset pods on Scaley track is that if you are using a magnet you could well find it sticks and scrapes on the track too much on certain cars like the 956KH, especially if using the 15mm stock wheels.

Agreed should be no problems with them if you are a no mag racer, it would as Flange said give you lower Centre Of Gravity or ride height.

 

[Ade]

hi
i purchased a angle winder and suspension kit for a Ferrari F40 and when fitted and run on scaley sport with magnet it dragged it's backside all round the track.

Reading the above i now see where i went wrong and also decided unless you are racing at club level then save the cash and keep them stock..

These are fantastic cars though and the modding tuning bug does bite quite hard.

 

[highbarn]

QUOTE (f1rem0uth @ 26 Mar 2012, 10:57) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And yes you can use suspension with in-line set-up, just use 2 screws and springs, BUT - you need some nuts on the top and I had to use the ones from the Slotting Plus suspension screws, although Slot.it have now brought out their own version of the nut and also the new in-line suspension kit.

As above you can use just the screws and a nut BUT you will not have the suspension travel limit that is a feature of the Slot.it kit nor will you be able to adjust the compression rate without removing the body. If you want to give this a try, and I use it a lot, simple m2 nuts and a dab of thread-lock or even better m2 Nylock nuts can be bought very cheap on eBay.

Incidentally if you are going to try the anglewinder or sidewinder setup make sure you get the EVO6 pods and chassis, these give many more options for playing with setup.

 

[UshCha]

Thanks for all the help.

I will use the sidewinder in the end becuase I use scaley chips and Slot.it motors are too much anyway for my small 12m track running no mag.

 

[slotcrazy]

more excellent additions to what I wrote - and what I forgot to write

Just one thing - for Firemouth - the issue of clearance I was meaning was not track clearance for the chassis due to raising of the axle (relatively speaking), it was body clearance for the "raised wheel" inside the wheel arch. a 16.5 hub would actually exacerbate that.

- Of course this may all be relative, as using any F or P series tyre allows you to sand the tyres to preferred O.D. size.
-Silicons CAN be reduced, but it is a hua of a job even getting 0.1mm off them in a tyre lathe, and stuffs the sandpaper drums used on most RTR lathes pretty much in one pair of sillies. . . . and how do I know this . . . . trial and error of course - lots of error....

Oh, and if you are running without mags on scaley track - the word of the week is PT1172N22 , whew what a mouthful.... anyway, do yourself a favour, buy a set of these new Slot.it tyres and slap them on some alloy hubs for your track.

QUOTE (f1rem0uth @ 26 Mar 2012, 23:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You are correct, BUT -you can use the 0.5mm offset pod on the 956 but you will need to use 16.5mm wheels to compensate for the offset.

Note, some of the new Slot.it cars come with this pod and wheel combo as standard now.