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Hi all
I good friend and me, race once a weeke at my track. The last two weeks there have been some strange behavior in SSDC, when using ThrottlePro with knobs.

About a month ago i bought a couple of Truspeed controllers - I like them ! - both connected to my ThrottelPro's - worked perfectly.

Last week when we were racing, 20 min. endurance races - where we reach approx 100 laps in a race and having to load fuel after approx 12-15 laps - suddenly I wasnt able to load fuel.
We cancelled the race and changed the battery in the throttle pro, and it was working again. At that time i suspected the Truspeed controller to be the problem.

Last night were going to race again - and it was a nightmare.
After a few laps of testing my friends new F1, we were going to race. When I had to make my first pit stop for fuel, I wasnt able to load fuel. Race cancelled - changed battery - tested - and things worked for a while. ( also sprayed my truspeed with some WD40 - as this was still my suscpect !! )
After a couple of races things got worse - suddenly lane changers operated, and send me to lane, i didn't want to go to. Not just one lane chaner but at least 4 different LC's. I were able to load fuel when needed, until it also stopped functioning.
Checking in SSDC the yellow light did turn on, every time i pushed the lc button, as well as the brake button turned on the red light, so it seems like SSDC does have contact with with the truspeed controller, and the buttons works.
I then connected the truspeed controller directly to port 2 on the powerbase, to see if i got rid of the problems, suspecting that perhaps the ThrottlePro was the faulty piece.
The truspeed wasnt behaving perfect, directly connected to 7042. Speed wasnt constant, and I was getting more and more frustrated.
Then my friends controller disconnected from SSDC. We put in a new battery, and all seemed ok again - for a short while. Then he wasnt able to add fuel. Cancelled race again.
We then went back to standard scaley controllers connected directly to 7042, had a race and everything was working perfect.

When we race, we have a penalty system, where we have to enter the double pitlane, and make a stop and go, which needs to be operated like adding fuel. We need to press the lc-button when stopped, and race imidiately, in order to get a lap counted, at not to get to much advntage of loading extra fuel. This works.

I havent done any calibrating on the truspeed controllers, as I am sure that SSDC + throttle pro are self-calibrating.

What can be wrong with ssdc + throttle pro + truspeed - the lights are working in SSDC when trying to load fuel.
What can be wrong with the truspeed when connected directly to 7042 - the missing calibration ??

Actually I can remember one night approx 2 months ago where i was having simular problems with my throtte pro - using standard scaley controllers. Then i gave all the controllers a clean up, and the day after my truspeed controllers arrived.

Is it "just" a software problem ? - I think so !

I measured the voltage on my track and it reads 15 v all over the place - and everything was fine, using standard controllers, connected directly to 7042.

My temper was not to shut all down - put on the tower - calibrate truspeed controllers - shut down - put on the computter - turn everything on - and test !! - WE WANTED TO RACE !!

Any ideas and, have others had same experience ?

Best regards

Ivan K.
 

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you say you have cleaned the truespeed's with wd40, did you remove the excess otherwise it may well give some duff signals to ssdc..
 

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The Truspeeds are completely new - less than6 weeks old - and havent been used very much. So I would not expect it to be relavant to clean them up yet. An the light on the ssdc display is also functioning ?
 

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The first rule in troubleshooting is never to rely on new items to be faultless. If you can eliminate the throttle from the problem then the search area is reduced. Cleaning the throttles with WD40 may have left some unhelpful residue behind.
 

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Hi Greg

I completely agree. But as i wrote :
"Actually I can remember one night approx 2 months ago where i was having simular problems with my throtte pro - using standard scaley controllers. Then i gave all the controllers a clean up, and the day after my truspeed controllers arrived."

only thing that seem to be the same is ssdc + throttlepro + 7042
 

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With regards the controllers, are you saying that the scalextric throttles were cleaned but not the Truspeed ones?
 

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The scaley controllers were cleaned, and then put away and havent been used since the truspeed controllers arrived. Scaley controllers first used again yesterday, with no problems, when there were problems with the truspeeds.
Scaley controllers cleaned with inox
One truspeed sprayed ( not cleaned) with wd40 + one truspeed not sprayed/cleaned. - they are both brand new.
 

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OK ... let's leave the controllers for now. The voltage measurement will always be about 15v because the meter is not sensitive enough. You will only see smaller voltages when you add a load such as a car running which would draw current.

Next up, what version of firmware have you loaded into the APB and what version of SSDC are you running? The firmware is now up to v1.009 and v5.4.2 for SSDC.
 

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Im pretty sure its : v1.009 and v5.4.2 for SSDC. - will check tonight ! - and 7042 have the powermod.

I think that maybe it's 2, not related problems, that are just being observed at the same time :

problem 1 : not being able to load fuel. Seen with both scaley and truspeed controllers. - even though the light turn on in ssdc. I do believe this is a combination of throttlepro and ssdc ?? - this has been observed on 3 different controllers !! 2 truspeed and 1 scaley

problem 2 : the unwanted lanechanging may appear bacause i sprayed wd40 into the truspeed without opening it, and claening it up. (pure frustration when things started to go wrong) - perhaps i should not have sprayed it at all - or opened it and applied inox instead. There could be wd40 floating around - i better clean it up tonight ! It actually has only been observed yesterday after i put wd40 into one of the truspeeds.
 

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Cool ...... sounds like a plan


Strong lights over the LCs might be causing you problems as well. Let us know how you get on because I will try the same setup at the weekend if you are having problems.
 

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Hello again

Finally been able to do some testing.

Checked software : firmware 1.009 ssdc 5.4.1

Tonights testing, after cleaning my truspeed controller from wd40 : no false lane changes - problem solved ?

Not being able to load fuel with trottle pro + truspeed : It works for a while then suddenly at a pit stop it wont record that it is in the pitlane. I noticed that when i push the lc button in order to load fuel, suddenly the throttlemeter goes to 0.5 !!

Other strange things have happened while i had the truspeed connected to throttle pro : suddenly the car started running and crashed. This happened two times, while i was preparing to test !
So I started to wonder if it perhaps was a chip fault, so I took another car and chip, and again i could load fuel a few times and then suddenly i was not able to load fuel again.
One time, when the throttlemeter was showing 0.5 i started a trace in ssdc - i dont know if it is worth anything to Andy ?

I have not been able to create the problem with the truspeed connected directly to 7042
I have not been able to create the problem with throttle pro and a standard scaley throttle. - yet !

Currently i think there is a smaller problem with truspeed and throttle pro. I still need to have my throtte pro's upgraded, so perhaps Andy will take a closer look at them then.

Any suggestions for other tests ?

Best regards

Ivan K.

I will try to test with my other throttle pro and truspeed controller, in order to see if i am able to recreate the problem with this combination also.
If not i will have to switch throttle pro between the truspeeds and the other way around.
 

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Hi Ivan,
Recording Traces is good, Andrew should be able to analyse them. The obvious thing is to try the same setup but without Throttle-Pro. Next, if you have another Throttle-Pro try swapping that in with your handsets as well.
 

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when i visited Andy a few months back to sort out a few bluetooth issues he did recomend the truespeed controllers as an upgrade from the scaley ones..

It could be that you have the later version of ssdc and your throttle pro's are still on firmware 1 so it may be worth trying the first version of ssdc that featured the wireless option.

Once you get the throttles pro's upgraded (it's a must do) then you will have to install the latest version of ssdc to get them to work..
 

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Hello Ivan.
I came across your thread today, and wanted to say that if you need to contact me please feel free.
Preferably just use the email address [email protected] since I'm rarely on the Forum.

I don't which version of the SSD controller you have from TruSpeed, but the early ones did have some problems with the carbon brush contacts.
The versions following that have all had multi-point contact wipers, so I am curious to know if you have contact problems.

regards,
Steve Hills.
 

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After cleaning my truspeeds with inox, back in the start of may, there havent been a single problem. But i am currently not using my throttel pros. I need to send them to Rikorocket, whos has offered to make an upgrade to them. I just need to pull my self together !!

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Good thread Gysse - I've been in my summer shutdown mode (little time for Scaley when there's light evenings!) so have lost track of the SSDC threads.

How do I go about upgrading the firmware in my TP with Knobs on?
 

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contact Rikorocket and the upgrade is free as long as you pay the postage costs.

It is not just firmware there is also a added led fitted wich tells you whether you are in connecting mode or connected mode.

These updated units are super smooth and well worth having.
 

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WD40 leaves black muck after a while. I used isopropyl alcohol.
 

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Thanks Ade, will do.

Injectorman - do you just wipe IPA on or scrub with toothbrush, for example? Is commercial contact cleaner mostly IPA and propellant?
 

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contact cleaner and isp are totally different. Contact cleaner can melt certain plastics so go carefull.
 
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