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25333 Evolution - Classic Race - Porsche

Two nice cars
Read the race report (made only for this forum) and enjoy the pictures

Sunday Morning Race Report

ts: I edited slightly to get the picture on the front page - hope that's Ok.

 

[Scott B]

Great stuff! I already wanted that Martini 935 badly, now seeing your pics I need it badly.

Scott

 

[Alaskaracer]

Great review, I am think about buying the set just for the cars as well.

 

[fast lucky]

The bad news are that those two cars are only available in a limited edition set.

The RSR Turbo deco is accurate (Daytona 1976), but the 935 Martini lacks a lot of markings.

Available separately - and also as a limited edition - are a Jägermeister 935 (fantasy livery since the 935/77 never raced under that livery) and a Martini RSR Turbo.

 

[550rs]

Not so fast, Fast Lucky, about the Jagermeister car

although this shouldn't rival the Pink-Kar/Revell Ferrari debate

I found several photos in some reference books (Paul Frere's Porsche Racing Cars of the 70s) of the Max Moritz 935 in Jagermeister livery. With book in one hand and Carrera car in the other, you'd have to be a very tough judge to fault Carrera.
I cannot exactly match the Carrera car to a specific version but it is very close to a Jagermeister car driven by Manfred Shurti and Jacky Ickx in 1978. The race numbers are different (real car is #8, model is #40) and the vents over the front wheels are not on the Carrera car. However, the unusual offset of the front wheels in their arches is common to both -- the car looks like its turning towards you as they're shifted towards the rear of the car. At first I thought this was a glaring fault but it matches the picture.
Replacing the Carrera windscreen sunshade thing (what IS the term?) with a yellow Max Moritz Porsche one and a few vents over the wheel arches and you would have a very close match.

 

[fast lucky]

Hi 550rs,

Regarding the Jägermeister Max Moritz 935, it was raced in 1977 and 1978 BUT it was a customer 935, quite a different body shape from the 935/77, especially at the rear.

From 1979 'till 1982, the 935/77 was raced by the Joest and Loos teams, though with some slight body variations. Liveries included Liqui Moly, Vegla Sekurit (silver with blue and white stripes) (both Joest team), Kraus Hifi, Sportwear (or something like that - a typical red and yellow Loos livery) (Loos team). Schornstein also raced a Vegla Sekurit 935 (main colour white with blue and orange stripes).

Jägermeister was the sponsor of the Max Moritz team in 1977 and 1978 and came back in 1980 and 1981 supporting the Kremer team (935K3 and 935 K4). In 1982, they moved to the Zakspeed team (Ford C100 and Ford Capri as done by Fly).

To the best of my knowledge, there never was a 935/77 in Jägermeister livery.

 

[fast lucky]

To be complete, I might also add that due to a sponsor dispute (the Zakspeed capri of Klaus Ludwig was sponsored by Kraus Hifi and Würth (the black one done by Fly). Kraus Hifi also sponsored the Loos Porsche and the BMW 320 of Hans Stück. Since those two cars used the same paint scheme, Würth felt that its sponsoring couldn't be easily seen and filed suit, the year after Würth remained the sole sponsor of Ludwig's capri and they used the same paint scheme but with reversed basic colour, the car being mainly white (done by Fly as well) ). Following the claim, Georg Loos lost Kraus Hifi's support and the car finished the 1980 season in a quite dull white livery.

Regarding the Martini 935, I think the red wheels are wrong as well. It's the 935/78 (Moby Dick) that raced with red wheels.

 

[550rs]

Thanks for that, fast lucky. Now it gets confusing.... I'll try to scan the Max Moritz car photo tomorrow and post it. Unfortunately the caption does not identify the exact 935 model but to me is a great match to the Carrera car except for the details mentioned earlier - hence the confusion. Some of the text of my references refer to the customer cars as 'late 1976' cars and some, like the Georg Loos car look very much like Carrera's. I looked at some of the other customer cars and if I had to guess, I would have thought Carrera's 935 is more /76 than /77. If anyone has the Carrera Jagermeister 935 and is worried that its a fantasy livery, I wouldn't be concerned based on the references. Not to say fast lucky is wrong, but its a "near enough=good enough".

I agree with you about the red wheels only on Moby Dick - there's a car, first time out at Silverstone and it won by seven laps.

 

[fast lucky]

The picture that was shown by Carrera announcing the release was definitely a customer car, not the 935/77. I'm quite confident to be right. The 935/77 is quite different from the 1976 version, be it at the front or the rear of the car.

Given the current trend towards Jägermeister liveries, it could be that Carrera wanted to have one as well.

I forgot to mention that the 935/77 was also raced in the States under the Momo colours.

In fact, decals sheets for most of the liveries (Momo, Liqui Moly and Kraus HiFi I think) are available in 1:24 scale. It could be interesting for someone (Patto ?) to make 1:32 scale versions of them.

Here's a link to decals to Momo's car. The one on the left is the 935/77, on the right it is the 935/78 (Moby Dick).

http://www.stradasports.com/wpe52.jpg

Here's a link to decals for the 935/76. You can see the different shape of the body.

http://www.stradasports.com/wpe50.jpg

 

[Mr.M]

"Great stuff! I already wanted that Martini 935 badly, now seeing your pics I need it badly."

And if you get one, are you going to race it badly!

You set 'em up and I'll knock 'em down!

Seriously though, I got our usual supplier to check with Nikko (UK Carrera distributor) and they told him that this set wasn't coming to the UK

Individual cars should be here soon, though

I assume that as the validity of the Jaegermeister car is in question, the same must be true for the Exin car. And how about the maroon Jaegermeister car they did? More fantasy?

Mr.M

 

[fast lucky]

The Exin (SCX) car was a 935 K3. It is as such accurate. It was raced in 1980 by the Kremer outfit.

There are slight variations between the K3 of 1979 and 1980 but basically it's the same car. My main reserve about the Exin car is about the back of the car : the black grille should come right after the rear window and not at the end of the rear spoiler. Of course, many improvements have been brought to models nowadays, so a new version done by Fly would be very welcome.

 

[550rs]

Here's the Jagermeister 935 I mentioned earlier, from Paul Frere's book Racing Porches of the 80's. It looks VERY close to the Carrera car so you would be a very tough-marking judge to call Carrera's version a fantasy one, modeller's licence or not.

 

[fast lucky]

It's a 935/76, not 77. Almost every part of the body is different save for the roof and the doors. It think that picture is from 1977.

Look at my post with the two links to see the different shapes of car.