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There is a new guide on the track, it is quite different to the rest because it has been designed specifically to be as utilitarian as possible. Many slot car enthusiasts often have several makes or brands of cars in their precious collection. Some will only fit and use the original parts and others are now beginning to look around for generic parts so that they do not need to keep a growing inventory. There can be no doubt that the guide is one of the most important parts of a slot car. So if you can come up with an elegant solution, that encompasses the strength of the good ones whilst removing the weaknesses that can plague a good car, then you can't be far wrong.

Richard Perry of Route1Racing kindly sent me some sample guides for review. I received two standard white ones and two of the full-Monty black kits complete with braids and a spare infra-red LED. My viewpoint on slot cars is very much leaning towards the digital side, and I spend a lot of time digitising cars both for myself and others. One aspect of digitising a car that can take quite a time and will ruin it if done badly, is the siting of the infra-red LED. It is essential to find a suitable place and drill an accurate hole for it. This must be as near to the guide as you can get so as to diminish the effects of tail drifts which moves the LED further away from the track sensor as the car waggles from side to side. The driver depends on the chip's ability to activate the various lane changers and pit lanes required in a digital track. Miss a pit stop and your race may end if you run out of fuel, miss the chance to overtake and you can say goodbye to the chequered flag. Track design has been held back somewhat because you could never place a lance changer or pit lane immediately after a turn, an extra piece of track was always need to straighten the cars up for the sensor. On a fast track this might have been a full straight. The downside of this strategy was that you had to reduce the length of the pit lane to compensate as very racers have the luxury of a lot of space.




With SureChange, all that is now swept away. These guides locates the LED right at the front of the blade so that you will never miss a sensor again if the car is waggling its tail around the track. The LED will always be able to communicate with the sensors as the signal strength is as high as it can be. The hole is made so that it is a firm interference fit for the LED.

The guide is also engineered with two small ridges on the topside to prevent the dome of the LED from protruding too far down; these can be removed if you need a greater depth. This thoughtfulness means that you do not need any messy hot glue or finger-sticking super glue neither do you need to find a drill bit or a reamer, all you have to do is gently press down with your nails until the LED is snugly in place. It is so snug that it is impossible to damage the bulb of the LED whilst racing.

Some manufacturers often change the shape of the chassis around the pivot point for the guide. This is a natural progression for a manufacturer as they strive to improve their products. The SureChange guide can cope with that because the guide is made from sintered nylon which allows it to be easily shaped with a craft knife or by sanding. In keeping with this design philosophy, the guide post is deliberately made long so that you can trim to whatever size you need for your car. The design features do not stop there as there is a small hole in the blade to work the steering mechanism as pioneered by Chase Cars.

It is possible to use any types of braid that suits you and your track. The versatility of this new guide allows for two methods of attaching the braids. Some racers like the SCX method of allowing both ends of the braid to be in contact with the track so eliminating the bulkiness of a double fold as used by Scalextric. The more traditional approach of using pins to trap the pickup wires against the braids is also catered for by the addition of two small hoops on the top of the base plate. Another neat design element are the two small horns at the front of the guide that keep the braids tidy and prevents them from splaying too much.

The talk is all well and good but what does it mean if you use a Surechange guide on your car or in this case a FLY Sisu S1250 ETRC racing lorry ……



I choose this vehicle to demonstrate how to fit the SureChange guide because it is very different to the usual cars that we are used to seeing. In the next photograph, you get an idea of the differences between the old style FLY guide and the new SureChange one.






The extra protuberance that holds the infra-red LED in place can be seen at the front on the bottom guide. The white marks on the shaft is where I have sanded it for a smoother fit.




The next stage is to prepare the Scalextric F1 C7005 chip prior to fitting. The motor leads will be left at their original length and an extra Ferrite Man is added to cut down on the spikes produced by the back-EMF from the motor. We want to eradicate as much interference as possible.




The green and yellow pickup wires have been shortened and the front Ferrite Man has been re-attached. Short lengths of the original pickup wires has been added to the Ferrite Man's feet, preserving the eyelets.

On the older style Scalextric vehicles which use springy bars to provide the connection from the braids to the pickups, I would have soldered the feet directly onto them.




The guide was prepared and the wires were secured in place and the LED has also been fitted in place. Notice the absence of any extra holes in the chassis to accommodate the digital chip. This can be clearly seen in the photo.



The only giveaway that this truck has been chipped is the LED just peeping out in front of the guide.

Digitising this truck was a lot simpler to perform than previous vehicles I have done. It was easy to get the lengths of wire just right and despite me having to re-wire the pickup wires the work was really quick.




All that remains now is to spot some hot-glue on the floor of the chassis to hold the chip securely in place. It is not wise to leave chips loose especially in large vehicles as short circuits may occur in shunts and crashes ……. then bang would go your chip and it would release all the magic smoke that digital is known to run on.






The finished article …….. ready to hit the track and race.

Summing up: ….. the SureChange guide is very easy and adaptable to use. It fits many different vehicles from several different manufacturers and can be adapted by sanding or re-shaping with a sharp knife. You will never miss a lane-change sensor again and with the infra-red LED so close to the track sensors, maximum efficiency is achieved. The design of the guide allows for two different ways of fitting the braids so you can choose the way that suits you best. You can also choose how you fit the eyelets, if you need to use them.

OK now we come to the downsides ……. the worst one that I could think of is that the white one does start to look a little grubby after a lot of use. Other than that, the two small "horns" at the front of the guide that firmly lock the braid in place might need to be trimmed back to allow the guide to fit better.

The $64,000 question … would I buy some? Without a doubt and without a hesitation. Though it has to be said that the vast majority of my cars are made by Scalextric and are fitted with the round "easy-fit" guide system. Richard and Gareth did not design their guide for to replace these particular guides but I have heard that they are working on another new design that could replace them. When that happens, I will be moving over to this system as I should be able utilise my chips in a similar fashion to the DPR ones that are now taking hold in the digital sector, which means that I will not need so many of them.





SureChange Guides Review

Greg Kilkenny - 24th April, 2013
 

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Hey Greg,

a really superb writeup, with full in depth information regarding the Sure Change guide.


I think the new type of guide that Richard and Gareth have produced is an excellent idea, especially if you use
digital.

I will certainly be buying these guides, and placing an order if they design a type that fits Scalextric cars.
 

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@GregK - glad you like the guide Greg! Your feedback on the prototype I sent you was invaluable in getting the final product (in your review) right.

Independent review is always helpful - Gareth and I can breath a sigh of relief now!


@Marky Mark - The existing SureChange guide will fit older Scalextric models - most models with the old push fit guides. It also fits many Ninco, SCX, TeamSlot, Slot.It HRS, AutoArt and other makes - with varying degrees of trimming needed on the guide.

Due to popular demand, and once Gaydon is done and dusted, Gareth and I will be looking at a SureChange guide for the modern Easy Fit guides with the replaceable round braid plates.

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I don't do digital but it looks like a good idea.

I am amazed by the number of guys who, as has been said, only use original parts or struggle with the concept of universality.

QUOTE @Marky Mark - The existing SureChange guide will fit older Scalextric models - most models with the old push fit guides. It also fits many Ninco, SCX, TeamSlot, Slot.It HRS, AutoArt and other makes - with varying degrees of trimming needed on the guide.

As the above hints at most guides from most manufacturers will fit most cars. Ninco seem to be popular but...

That one SureChange guide will fit these different marques is only possible because somewhere along the line they all decided to use the same basic guide dimensions.
 

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You can find details on the Route1Racing website where the guides are available right now - the guides will also be on sale shortly on the Chase-Cars website where they will be in stock after the UK Slot Car Festival on May 12th.

We will be at the UK Slot Car Festival in Gaydon on May 12th with the white guides, black guides, braids, IR LEDs, Ferrite Men and Inox MX3 all on sale with some special show deals. Find us on the Chase-Cars stand and have a play with Gareth's amazing Chase-Cars - some of which will be equipped with the SureChange guide. Come visit early in the day as stock is limited on some items.

Note to Mods: as this is under the Hobby Trader initiative I hope this answer is appropriate. If not please remove.
 

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Hi Marc,

I just took the top off my analogue NSR GT40 to take a look.

The NSR guide stem is thinner than the SureChange so you would either have to ream out the hole in the NSR chassis (thus committing to the SureChange guide for ever mwuah ha ha haaaa!) OR wrap some wet 'n'dry around the SureChange stem and sand it to a smaller diameter. The front "horns" on our guide would need to be trimmed and possibly a mm or two off the rear deck. All doable for somebody with reasonable mechanical ability.

The SureChange deck is thicker than the NSR guide deck which means the ride height would be raised by about 0.5mm unless you also thinned the SureChange deck with a file.

So I guess the answer is - yes it will fit with a little work but you have to decide if a slightly higher ride height would be offset by the advantages of lane change reliability.

This is just from looking at the chassis of my NSR GT40 - I don't have any other NSR's to look at I'm afraid.

The deck on our next model of SureChange guide will be thinner and the guide wires will exit vertically. The deck footprint is also likely to be smaller so it would probably be better for NSR EXCEPT the stem would be even thicker so you would have to ream out the NSR guide holder and probably reinforce it.

NSR and Slot.It are considerably lower slung than most slot cars and we were aiming our first product at the widest audience. That's not to say we won't look at a full-on racing guide at some point in the future.

Are you coming to Gaydon? If so - why not bring your NSR and we can see how the SureChange guide measures up against your car?

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Hi Richard,

thankyou for your comments regarding the NSR with the SureChange guide.

I think it maybe better to wait for your second model of the guide before considering it with NSR slotcars.

Yes, I will be at Gaydon, and will bring one of my cars to the Chase Cars stand for a chat.....


Marc
 

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I just chipped two Ninco classics tonight, an Austin Healey and a Jag E. Completely straight-forward - I concur with everything Greg says in his great review. I never use eyelets as I prefer 2mm hex screws, and this works brilliantly with the new guide. They have only been on track for a few laps, but the guides do their job excellently
though the Ninco cars are of course hopping and rolling without magnets.

So far, thanks for a great product


PS: I've been dreaming of fitting some of my NSR Porsche 917s with the new guide to avoid pit-lane mishaps during races. However, I can see that quite a bit of trimming and filing will be necessary, and the increased ride height caused by the deck thickness plus the tiny collar around the stem is not desirable. I might give one a try, but that "full on racing guide" surely is high on my wish list.
 

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Thanks for the feedback Mr. Olufsen - much appreciated.

Now we have established the first model we can start working on others. It may be possible to make the deck thinner in which case a racing guide is a strong possibility. With vertically exiting eyelets it should be possible to reduce the footprint of the guide to suit NSR and Slot.It

A lot of this hinges on how well the current guide sells. Gaydon will be an interesting litmus test and as we have already shipped to USA, Canada, Denmark, France and the UK and have current enquiries from Australia - things are looking promising
 

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Well, a few more tests, and I just might be ordering some more guides very soon to support the further development
... Changing to this one on all classic Scaleys, Flys, Auto Arts etc. is very tempting.
 

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We have stock whenever you are ready


I found with AutoArt that their guide stems are a bit thicker than most. Although the SureChange guide can be fitted it might be a bit loose (as the original AutoArt's are!!!) The next guide we will be developing is for the Scalextric EasyChange which also has a thicker stem - so I think we will be coming up with a guide that also fits AutoArts better.

I'm not trying to put you off!!! But hanging on a few months before upgrading your AutoArts may be a good strategy as a thicker-stemmed guide would give you a more stable car.

If you can't wait then searching your local supermarkets for suitable drinking straws could provide you with a means to make the stem a bit thicker!
 

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What a great Idea, there is only one possible downside (and many wouldn't see this as a downside) to sure lane changes, in that having to get your car straight after the bend before the sensor is part of the fun / skill for some people, especially if you have strong mags, but if you run magless than this has to be the best thing ever as after every corner your rear is probably not any where near straight just like a real car, and I prefer to run with no mag's, need to get my self a digital system again, I think.
 

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We have been talking about a second version of the SureChange guide for a little while now.

The bad news is that there won't be a new SureChange guide


Just teasing


The good news is that there will be TWO brand new versions of the Surechange guide


I have the first prototype of the new version for the Scalextric Easy Change (the current guide) in my possession and it has test-fitted successfully in several Scaleys (DPR and non DPR). It will be getting a thorough test fit in at least 10 different Scaley cars this evening and will be fitted to an F430 for a run on my test track (R1's immediately followed by lane changers etc.)

Any bugs will be ironed out and the 3D CAD files adjusted this weekend meaning we should be at final prototype stage by the end of next week. If that works out OK then we will be going into full production by the middle of August with stock available for sale at the end of August (well that's the plan anyway!)

Pricing will be the same as the current SureChange guide.

The third model will be about one week later and will be a version that fits Slot.It and NSR cars (it will have a different stem and a thinner deck so you can keep your Slot.Its and NSR's at the same ride height). This guide will also fit Pioneers as we will be supplying an additional spacing plate for this purpose. Again pricing will be the same as the current guide.

So there will be three versions of the guide available. We just need to figure out what to call them without breaching any trademarks! The range should then cover the vast majority of slot cars.

Thanks for your patience - I know some of you have been waiting a few months for the new versions. A few more weeks and they will be on sale.

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Great news Richard ....... can't wait ..


@SPZERO ....... why wait, Tescos are banging out the C7042 at £108 with free delivery to your nearest store ...
 

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QUOTE (Mr. Olufsen @ 29 Apr 2013, 20:48) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I never use eyelets as I prefer 2mm hex screws, and this works brilliantly with the new guide.
This sounds interesting and I'm just working through the eyelets part of the design. Can you post up some photos of what you did please?
 

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I missed that first time around. It sounds as if Mr Olufsen is screwing a 2mm grub screw into the hole the eyelets go through. Probably gives a better electrical contact with the braids, won't slip out (not a problem with SureChange but a real problem with some old Scaley guides), and won't push the braid slightly out the bottom of the hole as you do when inserting eyelets (does anybody else find that annoying or is it just me?)

My only question is - does the screw thread cut some of the wire filaments? Lots on the braids but not that many on a guide wire so are there any issues with that? Do we need to use thicker than normal guide wires? It sounds like a more secure way of fitting.
 

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QUOTE (Mr Modifier @ 25 Jul 2013, 05:03) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So there will be three versions of the guide available. We just need to figure out what to call them without breaching any trademarks! The range should then cover the vast majority of slot cars.

My humble submissions:
SureChange Classic (the currently available model)
SureChange Sport (for the round plate quick change)
SureChange Tuner/Tuning (for the slot.it/Pioneer compatible one)
 
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