The 2013 HO Grand Prix, Chatham (Kent)

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montoya1

Discussion Starter · Jan 13, 2013 (Edited by Moderator)

This will serve as the thread for Round 5 of the EAHORC 2012/13 National HO championship. A race report will appear here as well as links to Photos and result sheets, for now the thread will serve as an advert for the race.

When: February 24th, racing from 10am, timed practice from 9am

Where: TPS, Unit 36, Lordswood Ind Est, Gleaming Wood Drive, Chatham, ME5 8RZ, Kent

This will also be the 2013 HO Grand Prix, with trophies for the top six in the A final (which will be four minutes long) in Open Wheel.

Please post here if you intend to take part as soon as possible, adding what classes and chassis you intend to do/use if you know in advance.

Predictions on who will win etc also welcome, suggestions for possible meal venues for those staying over on the saturday too.

Let's get some buzz going.....

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montoya1

Discussion Starter · #2 · Jan 13, 2013 (Edited by Moderator)

Entry list so far:

Dave Hannington
Deane Walpole
Paul Rose

We need 13 for this meet to go ahead, 15 if we are to be able to use all six lanes.

I am aware some people are put off coming because there were too many entries last time, but with the way things have been of late please put your name down and deal with the long day if it comes. I don't think it will, last time was a one-off (we had 29). I'd be over the moon with 20.

Gareth

· #3 · Jan 13, 2013

I'm in. Already got this in the calendar along with Edmo, FLBT and WHO.

I'll be racing a Mega G in the morning and probably a LifeLike T in Closed Wheel in the afternoon.

Already looking forward to it.

asjwood

· #4 · Jan 13, 2013

I should be there, and probably running mod in the afternoon. I think Craig pinched most of the mod lap records at the last EAHORC mod meeting and I wouldn't mind a crack at winning some of them back while my mod is running nicely!

montoya1

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jan 13, 2013

That is the spirit Al

Certainly adds a bit of spice when there are lap records to be had....

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montoya1

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jan 15, 2013

Entry list:

Deane Walpole

David John Peters

Paul Rose

Alan Wood

Lee Taylor

Gareth Winslade

Dave Hannington

Andrew Rose

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marctownsend

· #7 · Jan 15, 2013

I shall be there and I'm seriously considering bringing Louis and Henry along if I can swing it with their Mum. Is anybody else thinking of bringing a junior or two with them?

I shall be Tyco in the AM and Wizzard Pro Mod in the PM. Neo equipped Slottech may get a run too. The boys would be Mega G in the morning and LLT NASCAR in the afternoon.

montoya1

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jan 15, 2013 (Edited by Moderator)

QUOTE (marctownsend @ 15 Jan 2013, 19:22) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I shall be Tyco in the AM and Wizzard Pro Mod in the PM. Neo equipped Slottech may get a run too. The boys would be Mega G in the morning and LLT NASCAR in the afternoon.

Thanks Marc. I assume Clive is coming, but I will leave it to you to check on the Whortons and Mr Lees, unless they should post directly. Clive plus 2 of those three would be enough to get us to the meet going ahead on four lanes.

I'm under pressure to carry on with meetings with as few as four of us, but I'm not sure that is wise. It does not work financially or logistically for a start.

Thoughts anyone?

montoya1

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jan 15, 2013

QUOTE (marctownsend @ 15 Jan 2013, 19:22) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is anybody else thinking of bringing a junior or two with them?

I'm a little surprised we don't see more of that, it has been discussed several times over the years. Maybe a day away from the kids is all part of the appeal.

With attendances more of often that not in the toilet, perhaps time for a rethink?, although it looks as if for this round anyway we are going to be OK (I know, famous last words)

montoya1

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jan 20, 2013 (Edited by Moderator)

Entry list so far:

Dave Hannington
Deane Walpole
Paul Rose
Andrew Rose
Dave Peters
Al Wood
Jim Easton
Lee Taylor
Andy Player
Andy Whorton
Paul Whorton
Gareth Winslade
Marc Townsend
Clive Harland
Mike Dadson

Which means we can use all six lanes

Rob Lees
Callum Norris
Darren McHarg
Callum Davidson
Andy Hillier
Gary Hobden
Henry Townsend
Louis Townsend

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diesel

· #11 · Jan 20, 2013

QUOTE (montoya1 @ 15 Jan 2013, 19:48) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm a little surprised we don't see more of that, it has been discussed several times over the years. Maybe a day away from the kids is all part of the appeal.

With attendances more of often that not in the toilet, perhaps time for a rethink?, although it looks as if for this round anyway we are going to be OK (I know, famous last words)

May well bring Hannah with me, but its too early to commit. I'm not exactly hardcore as I only do local rounds, but its still a long day when you add the travelling. I can understand why people wouldn't want to drag kids along.

Gareth

· #12 · Jan 22, 2013

Quick question and I'm probably over thinking the rules once again.

Can pin tubes be used for a CW car to fit the body? I know the rules say any form of body fitting is legal but they also say the chassis cannot be altered or modified in anyway. So I just want to make sure I'm not meeting one rule and contravening another.

I'm tinkering with a new CW chassis and I like the idea of pin tubes for the body as I can then use the same chassis with a lexan at WHO and hard body at EAHORC.

Cheers
Gareth

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montoya1

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 22, 2013

If you can somehow fit tubes without modifying the chassis you will be OK, but how does one do that?

montoya1

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jan 22, 2013 (Edited by Moderator)

Entry list so far:

Dave Hannington
Deane Walpole
Paul Rose
Andrew Rose
Dave Peters
Al Wood
Jim Easton
Lee Taylor
Andy Player
Andy Whorton
Paul Whorton
Gareth Winslade
Marc Townsend
Clive Harland
Mike Dadson
Callum Norris
Carol Norris

Rob Lees
Hannah Rose
Darren McHarg
Callum Davidson
Andy Hillier
Gary Hobden
Henry Townsend
Louis Townsend

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Gareth

· #15 · Jan 22, 2013

Well that's why I asked. The body rule says any method which contradicts the no chassis modification rule. I believe thats why WHO changed their rule so that pin tubes are permitted as they don't give a chassis performance boost. I'll have to go with sticky pads I guess or the screw method. The screw hole is there.

montoya1

Discussion Starter · #16 · Jan 22, 2013 (Edited by Moderator)

It does not contradict, you can do anything with regard to a rule so long as it complies with all the others.

You have to look at the rules top to bottom, with some affected by the basics such as width, mass, body type and so on.

'Any wheel' does not automatically mean you can make the car 50mm wide for example. You can use any wheel, but you have to respect the 34mm rule too. If you buy some wheels that make the car too wide you can't plonk it on the track on the basis the 34mm rule contradicted the any wheel one....

The no modyfing the chassis rule is a catch-all, not something designed to stop people using pin tubes. If it does, it does.

The WHO rules that allow tubes and pins is for their most open class, and that is true of EAHORC too.

If you think of WHO Mod as a more restricted version of national Pro-Mod, rather than national CW class being a backwards cousin of WHO Mod, it all falls into place.

Which chassis has a 'screw hole' ?

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Gareth

· #17 · Jan 22, 2013

I see it a little differently. Yes in the wheels example the rules work together as the car has to go through the tech block but you can use any brand or size of wheel to arrive at 34mm. But I still feel it would be better to state that the body can be fitted in any way that does not involve modifying the chassis. I do appreciate the distinctions you've already included relating to body clips and goop which also came about through similar discussions. And I'm not trying to be difficult, quite the reverse. Just want to make sure I'm always running legal.

And I actually see WHO Mod and EAHORC CW as entirely different classes. But with some chassis such as the MR1 there is little difference between the classes apart from bodies and mounting them. The optimal car would be the same in every other respect.

As to which chassis has the screw hole, you know the answer already. Some MR1s come with a small hole above the axle which can be ued for a screw to hold the body on. Same as most of the field already do in CW.

I promised myself I'd stick to one chassis type this season. One WHO race in and I'm already tinkering!

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Gareth

· #18 · Jan 22, 2013

Actually the other chassis with a screw hole is the Tjet! So I'll be running an Autoworld Tjet Ultra!

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montoya1

Discussion Starter · #19 · Jan 22, 2013 (Edited by Moderator)

As for the rules thing, I guess we will just have to beg to differ. I'm not going to add all sorts of qualifiers to rules, because as soon as I do somebody will spot one I have missed and think that means they can do something when they can't.

The more complex the rules the more possible contradictions there can be, but you just have to be thorough. If the rules say an armature cannot be modified, but that any bearing may be used, one isn't go to think a bearing that is too tight on a shaft will be legal if you sand the shaft and I'm not going to state the bearing can only be used if it fits the shaft.

The way to look at is this: If a rule says you can't do something, you can't.

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Gareth

· #20 · Jan 22, 2013

Yep that's totally fair enough mate. Just didn't want to drill a chassis and then find out I can't run it! I've only got two of the optimum chassis so they're at a premium!

Really looking forward to the race. My Lifelike has had a tune up and flies down the straights now. Its not quite up there with the top SG+ and MR1sin WHO Mod but not too far behind.

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