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The End of American Muscle Cars

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I pulled up behind one of these yesterday. ‘Nuff said.
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X2slotbob
Yep, 1974 to 2004, 30 long years...

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Although it was a Pinto (not a whole lot unlike the first falcon based mustang), it did have the 302 V8 as an option.
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mattbslotracer
Not me Bob, but that old 4 speed coupe and the sound and is like music to me. I do have a 431 inch BB, 4 sp. Chevelle.
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X2slotbob
Very nice. 455/Turbo 400 in a similar Cutlass.

No, I do not want to race.
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Steve-E-D
My Toy.

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X2slotbob
You, I might race (lol)!
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Steve-E-D
Bring it. 😈

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X2slotbob
Meet you at the Spring Turkey Rod run?! It's only 3000 miles.

Just so the Tesla folks can feel really good inside, that's about three hundred gallons of high test! (for my car, your Pontiac with a Q-jet may do a little better)

I am pretty sure the only electrics there are golf carts.

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mattbslotracer
X2slotbob said:
Very nice. 455/Turbo 400 in a similar Cutlass.

No, I do not want to race.
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Nothing like a strong bottom end!!!
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driver#8
Electric cars are here for now. They’re a political solution to an engineering problem which is already giving the governments which promote them insoluble problems.

But we’re not going to go back.

Just as was the case 130 years ago, there are many more practical ways to build and power cars than with a battery. Also less polluting (or downright toxic). Same goes for wind farms and solar panels.

But we are where we are. The current thinking is for everyone to be within 15 minutes by bike or bus from everything that they need in life. That way nobody will need a car. But they will need a life worth living and that ain’t it.

It’s as if they’ve never seen The Hunger Games…
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merkit the grof
Just out of idle curiosity, what method is more practical than electrical power?
Charge your car from your own solar panels/windmill and drive away; sounds reasonably practical to me.

Joel
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Kit Spackman
Yeah, so long as you can a) afford to buy the expensive stuff in the first place, b) have somewhere to park the said electric car where the charging cable can reach c) don't need to get anywhere a distance away in a real hurry as you'll have to spend ages getting a re-charge etc. etc.

Right now ICE cars work and are available.
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merkit the grof
Your objections are quite valid, and apply to some people. But, that's not the point of the discussion.
We are just discussing the validity/practicality of using electricity as a means of propelling vehicles. To me, it looks perfectly suitable in most situations.

Joel
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It seems to me that most people would have to charge their cars at night when solar panels are useless. The typical solar house does not have storage batteries, at night they have to get power off of the grid. During the day excess power from the solar panels goes back into the grid and the owner gets paid for that. A friend of mine is an electrician and he is certified in solar installations. He did his own house with gel type storage batteries, he would have liked to use lithium batteries, but those would have been too expensive.
For now electric cars make sense if you do not have to drive very far in a day. The cars are more expensive to buy, but the maintenance and fuel costs are lower. Stopping to charge your car away from home is a little hit or miss. In some areas charging stations are scarce and the connections are not standardized. I wonder how people that must park on the street will be able to charge their cars. Some cars take a very long time to charge, so longer trips would have to be carefully planned.
Like it or not the future is electric cars. The ranges will increase and the charging time will go down. In the US in some states natural gas stoves, water heaters and furnaces will be outlawed, will the existing power grid be able to handle a much bigger load?
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I have worked in the power industry for almost 30 years. This is all smoke and mirrors and cannot scale nor be sustained. The grid cannot handle it and there are not enough raw materials to make any of this feasible.

Do the research, do the math, understand how things work and not how the political machine wants you to think.
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dreinecke said:
I have worked in the power industry for almost 30 years. This is all smoke and mirrors and cannot scale nor be sustained. The grid cannot handle it and there are not enough raw materials to make any of this feasible.

Do the research, do the math, understand how things work and not how the political machine wants you to think.
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You are 100% correct. Electric for the masses is far off, not 2025 or even 2030. People cannot afford these cars and in the cold climates they loose up to 50% battery power. Electric trucks are a joke. I like the idea, but it is very far away from becoming the vehicles of choice. Hybrid vehicles are much more practical. This is just crazy (The push for Electric cars). They create more pollution to create a battery for these cars than a gas powered vehicle will create in it's lifetime! Cars and trucks are just a blip on the pollution scale (less than 5% world wide)! Factory's are the major polluters, along with foreign country's. Cars and trucks are so clean today that they are not an issue, they have the sheep (people), buffaloed!!!!!!
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merkit the grof said:
Just out of idle curiosity, what method is more practical than electrical power?
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Synthetic fuel. We have everything already in place: cars with internal combustion engines to burn the synthetic fuel, fuel stations to sell it, fuel distribution to get it to the consumers, a maintenance network for the cars that will burn it.

Electric cars aren't and will never be the long-term future.
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merkit the grof
Small detail, we have everything except the fuel. Whereas we already have everything in place for electric vehicles, motors, batteries, national distribution..
With that reasoning it's a wonder we moved away from the horse.

Joel
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Dopamine
We don't have sufficient electrical distribution in place. No country does. None even comes close. Boiling ten million kettles and powering ten million homes is one thing, charging ten million electric cars quite another.
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rastas
Outback Australia wouldn't be a very successful place for a electric car , unless the car was covered by solar panel's so as to charge it's self!
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rastas said:
Outback Australia wouldn't be a very successful place for a electric car , unless the car was covered by solar panel's so as to charge it's self!
John.
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That's a pretty extreme case, John. Fortunately, most of the civilized world is not Outback Australia. :) <sarcasm><1980s movie joke> Methane from pig **** is probably more appropriate. </1980s movie joke></sarcasm>

Personally, I have road tripped 2000+ miles in a Tesla Model S from Washington to Colorado and back in winter temperatures with no problems. There are few populated areas that you can't go more than 150 miles without a Tesla Supercharger in the USA anymore, and that is just Tesla's charging network. We've only seen the tip of the iceberg so far.
Even Level 1 charging at home on 120V gives ~50 miles range overnight. A large percentage of the population commutes in that range daily.

merkit the grof said:
Small detail, we have everything except the fuel. Whereas we already have everything in place for electric vehicles, motors, batteries, national distribution..
With that reasoning it's a wonder we moved away from the horse.
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Agreed, Joel.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Its not that the grid can't be upgraded, there just hasn't been sufficient motivation to do so in the past. The electric utilities are in position to become the "oil companies" of the future.
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