[cockney1980]

8 large !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

zero bidder won so if i was seller i'd offer it 2nd bidder

 

[Ade]

Hi

Zero bidder only placed 2 bids in total on the Bug, has also placed bids on other stuff as well including 1:24 stuff, looks genuine to me and just starting out in the hobby.

Seller is bang on I've bought and sold from them, just know the seller by the cheesy listing detail of from pet and smoke free home, how would they know if there trading maybe there home is.

 

[Mr.M]

Who'll be the first to work out how many NSRs they could buy with that?

That is a lot of money for a Bug, but even if it turns out to be bad bidders, the other four and a half grand the seller raised in the three hour period last night will go some way to compensate

 

[cockney1980]

12 and a half grand in one evening?.....yeah I've had worse days

 

[cockney1980]

Hi

Zero bidder only placed 2 bids in total on the Bug, has also placed bids on other stuff as well including 1:24 stuff, looks genuine to me and just starting out in the hobby.

Seller is bang on I've bought and sold from them, just know the seller by the cheesy listing detail of from pet and smoke free home, how would they know if there trading maybe there home is.

Agreed seller is bang on, never slated her once, my only concern was how the c95 looked and that wasnt the auction car.

for someone starting out poking 8 large at a Bug and dabbling in 1-24th I'd like to welcome Donald Trump to the world of slot collecting....

re pet and smoke free home lol....so's mine i smoke outside and the cats been absent for two weeks now

 

[scudbong]

The prices this seller has always got for anything has always staggered me, how can she get so much more money than everyone else who are selling the same things? The prices she gets for the resin kits are crazy and in my opinion they are very averagely built. So what is her secret?

This is her recently sold items, see for yourself

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/m.html?ssPageName=STRK%3Anull%3AMESOI&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_ssn=jennyb7362&_sop=3&rt=nc

Pete

 

[Ade]

Hi

agreed Pete, one item I purchased from this seller I decided to re sell, not looking to make a profit but break even would have been nice, eventually went for half what I paid for it and the winning bidder was......relisted and sold for double what they paid for it.

This seller has spent a long time building up a reputation, some of the early auctions were only average prices but now the vintage scene is well aware of the quality I wouldn't be surprised if it's there first stop for vintage gear, I have seen this seller buying on ebay as well and simply relisting quite a few times and the reputation carries some weight with bidders.

Also lists 1:32 scenic items imported from China and they go for silly money, one that springs to mind was red old style telephone kiosk, I got mine for about a fiver from memory but were selling for more than double on there site..sometimes it pays to shop around.

 

[cockney1980]

My first stop for searching is Ebay France, I know stuff comes up from France on Ebay UK but some sellers wont post outside France so they items don't come up in searches, I then try to persuade them to change it to 'worldwide' buy now and I swoop, most won't but some do....I use it more as a learning curve to see what other French issue stuff is even still around and has survived.

As I'm a good buyer a few French sellers now do sell worldwide off the back of a happy deal....not just the French though a lot of UK based sellers won't ship overseas because of bad experiences, I understand that but luckily my dads still UK based so that gets round it, he sends me it.

Re 'this' seller, yes I always look but unless its on BIN I don't bid as I always get outbid.

Also her auctions end annoyingly late (deliberately) to maximise bidding, but add the hour on to the UK time and I'm already in sleepville

..long post sorry wasn't meant to be.

 

[scudbong]

I'm interested to know how late ending auctions maximise bidding? The prices indicate that it works but I'm trying to figure out why it would have that effect. The only thing I can think of is that people get their bids in early before they go to bed perhaps which then puts the price up earlier than normal and thus late bidders need to bid more??

Pete

 

[Ade]

Hi

alcohol and tiredness, I've worked with someone who used the late finish tactic on a regular basis to maximise bids and it worked for him, some of the tat he listed was unbelievable and so was the price he received

don't have to get up early on the weekend either and stand in a damp field

 

[TSRF]

If 8 large can buy a sizeable quantity of NSR cars, the true question is, 20 years from now, the Bug maybe 20 large while the pile of NSR cars purchased for the 8 grand, worth maybe, 3 grand on a good day?
As a long-time collector of antique toys and all manners of other useless junk, I would not bet on the investment potential of anything manufactured after 1985... especially such items made in China or Eastern Europe.
But, it's my opinion and you may have yours...

 

[SAMPSON]

I think in the main you are right Phillipe. Most cars made before 1985 were raced and damaged not collected. so they are not found usually in good shape and they come from the "gloden age ". But some newer cars like the Slot Classic Auto Union rail car or the Rolls Royce will continue to rise.

The last Auto Union by Slot Classic that I saw sold went for $7,000.

 

[TSRF]

Bernard, possible but not certain as previous history shows that hand built cars do not appear to retain value compared to inflation, while desirable production models not only keep up but often beat the Dow index by quite a bit... as long as they have been manufactured before the fateful date when China took over manufacturing.
Time will tell of course, but I have been collecting long enough to have seen trends and market changes...
In any case, the Scalex Bugs are now gold nuggets, so guys, get your repros out to play and keep your saved original away from harm and your cats!

 

[abie321]

Bernard Prof - your opinion please - when our generation dies off - WHO is going to pay this kind of money - in fact any kind of money for the cars from the 60's? This has been on my mind since we had a discussion around this at the last Bordo meeting. Us old pharts are the ones that buy these cars and pay $1500 for a genuine Cox 2E. The coming generation - I think not. Thus we will not leave a benefit to our kids by holding on to our memories (cars) - thus better to sell them in not too distant future. Your thoughts?

 

[scudbong]

I've asked myself the same question Anthony. As you know I am one of a small amount of a younger generation who is very interested in vintage slot racing but I do fear I'll be racing on my own in about 20 years!

I also do a fair bit of dealing with vintage slot cars and it has crossed my mind that I might not have many customers left when the 20 years is up

. I think prices will inevitably fall as very few people will want this stuff until it becomes trendy again in another 20 years time!

The same can be said for pre war cars (full size), prices of more common cars is falling, it's only the exotic stuff which is fetching money. I think this is down to the younger generation not being able to relate to them nor having the skills to work on them. When I go to Vintage Sports Car Club race meetings I'd estimate that the average age of the drivers and spectators is over 60 and a lot of the younger drivers are racing their parents machinery. On the other hand 60's, 70's and 80's car prices are booming and that it what the younger generation are going for.

Pete

 

[SAMPSON]

I think there is some truth in that the value of most of our slot cars will decrease after our generation passes on (to Polks where everything will be free

) . However when one looks at Tippco, Safar, Marklin, etc made before our generation in the 1930's,1940's, we see prices high and going up in many cases. Try and buy a Marklin 2 lane set for under $6,000, or a Conti set for under $4,000. The people buying these were not of the generation when these were manufactured. I think the early rail cars will continue to go up. While real model T's have gone down other cars have continued to go up. Rarity ,historical importance, knowledge,and condition will always be the determining factor in pricing. Of course education about our hobby is essential to maintaining value. If one is ignorant about the companies,models,rarity,etc. then why would anyone be interested in wanting a slot or rail car. I think books,like Tony's, Phillipe's,& others, museums like mine and Scott Bader's are necessary for the continuation of our hobby to the next generation. If a person doesn't know about art he or she might toss a painting by Picasso into the trash can. Once they know that would not happen. So why do people collect ? Value, memories, and enthusiasm created by knowledge.

 

[cockney1980]

Only time will tell what happens to our collections, on either a personal or financial level.

Re late night auction ending, a few people touched on it above, if an auction ends past my bedtime (haha) I'm forced to bid early, so are other people just to be in with a shot, and to be in with a shot I bid higher than I would on a last ten seconds auction ending at 7.30pm, therefor my max bid is open to be hijacked or shill bidded up to max.

As for alcohol I had to laugh here....many many times I've bid on something only to regret it in the morning.

 

[TSRF]

Cockney, you need to use a bidding program... www.esnipe.com

As far as diminishing values, I believe that any quality item will not only retain value for new generations but will increase as demand will overcome supply. Maybe you do not "see" them but there is a whole new generation of collectors out there, who do not have the same interests than us, but collect nonetheless. I do not see the prices of full-size prewar cars going down unless they are boring cars, like the zillion Ford Model T that are just that and always were, a mere mode of cheap transportation. Why would anyone want to collect them in the first place? Compare that to the 1914 Peugeot Indy car that just sold 2 weeks ago far above its estimate, at $7.25 million, to a fairly young collector in Florida... truly a quality item. Great prewar racing cars sell for FORTUNES today (see the Ecurie Ecosse D-Type last year at Monterey at a cool $22 million) to YOUNG successful businessmen, These are NEW collectors.
I truly believe that slot cars (but as true collectibles, meaning new, untouched in their original boxes in kit or RTR form) will follow the same vein as long as they are not toyish or of poor design or quality. Chaparrals will always sell well, as future gens will be fascinated by their advanced technology for their time, 20, 30, 40 years from now. And these people will want anything that raced with the Chaparrals.
Thing is, these new collectors will look for what is best out there. Such new collectors will likely bring prices up and up, while lesser models will likely lose much of their current and often excessive values.
But I see that prices of currently over-valued so-so models will tank.

 

[SAMPSON]

I agree with you Philippe except I think some toy like sets that are rare and in mint condition will go up. Bernard

 

[cockney1980]

Beautiful graphics