[moped rider]

Hornby are no doubt going to be including MotoGP bikes within the SPORT World racing platform when it is finally offered to the public later in the year.

There is no doubt in my mind that the MotoGP bikes are going to tilt when they corner on the race SPORT World race monitor/screen.

This is going to make for some wicked viewing and playbacks of MotoGP races for the audience watching the SPORT World monitors.

And no doubt the degree of tilt on the playback will be linked to how skilfully you take the corner when you race the MotoGP bike.

Its going to be almost as good as the Baggies getting promotion again to the Premiership.

Boing Boing!

Moped

 

[LMP]

That'd be great, except sensory devices would be super expensive

 

[Tropi]

One thing Moped really excels at is stimulating animated discussion!

QUOTE There is no doubt in my mind that the MotoGP bikes are going to tilt when they corner on the race SPORT World race monitor/screen.
There is lots of doubt in mine.
I fail to see the point of displaying something which does not reflect what is actually happening on track and I DO see a strong possibility that, if the display is more interesting/enhanced than the real track events, then one might as well play a game and forget all about the real events!
Far less bother all round.

I see Scalextric poised to take over the software slot racing market if hardware racing takes a dip!
Good thinking, covering all bases.

But I will add this - I can think of very little more unutterably, brain deadeningly BORING than watching slot cars on TV - it isn't a spectator sport and the novelty will wear off in the minutes counted on one hand.

 

[uksqueezea]

Well done Moped old chap! everyone was wondering what happened to you.

Off topic but just wondering if Moped doesn't sometimes feel like one of those little tin ducks in a shooting gallery. Everytime he races onto screen, PING! someone blasts off a shot at him.
Back on topic, as far as the motobikes go, please make plenty Mr Hornby.
Scalextric collectors are going to move faster on these than Kampuchean's with a McDonalds voucher.

 

[moped rider]

I don't agree with Tropi (inevitabley!

). To watch the race event at the club panning out on big screen TV, or any TV, with a digitally produced picture whilst waiting for your turn to race is certainly going to enhance the club experiance.

At the moment all you get at best with timing software are horizontal lines on a TV monitor to advise you where the cars are relative to one another.

It is going to be much more entertaining to watch screen action of the race circuit including crashes and tilting bikes. Yes you can watch the cars going around but to have the option of viewing an animated experiance may well prove equally entertaining and has to add to the entertainment. I don't see how it can't really.

It was rather entertaining to watch the cars at the London Toy Fair on the big screens provided by Hornby. In fact large crowds gathered around and it was almost like watching live motor action but with more frequent and spectactular crashes. NASCAR type events could be a lot of fun to watch as I suspect Hornby picked up most of the crash sequences from that form of motor sport. F1 crashes these days can be a bit boring by comparison to those at NASCAR.

One of the joys of slot car racing if having a spectactular crash without any risk of personal injury. Hornby once made a Battlespace Turbo Car that had a big plastic spike on the front! Now a favourite thing to do was to watch this whizzing around at eye level. You can draw your own conclusions as to what happened. The plastic spike was quickly changed to rubber!

Also remember that you can create your own digital scenery where you may simple have a circuit at the club with no scenery at all. All the bends can be named and it is certainly going to help the race comentator to have "Murray Walker" style TV displays in front of him to see what is happening on the far side of the club circuit.

Lets just give it a go before we make up our mind on this one.

Moped

 

[Swissracer]

QUOTE Lets just give it a go before we make up our mind on this one.

No need - You have already made ours up for us Moped. Unless we have an alternative view, in which case we are Scalextric haters and should keep quiet.

 

[McLaren]

LOL @ Swiss!!!

My sentiments exactly!

Why would it be better on screen than in real life?

I thing Mustangs would look even more stupid overtaking LeMans cars on screen. How would the program know how much to slide them? For exapmle, the same speed through a corner would look very different if a magnet was put in or not.

I think it will be rubbish, not just because it looks that way, but because Moped thinbks it will be good... just like his Mustang was gonna be good...

Lotus

 

[Difflock]

Well, there was no denying that the Mustang was quick, despite trashing a new motor after about 20 laps or so at Wrecsam !!

Mark.

 

[Tropi]

For the poor old tin duck's benefit,
(acknowledgements to squeezy down under!)
I'll repeat the bit that seems to have been hidden in the duck's blind spot.
QUOTE if the display is more interesting/enhanced than the real track events, then one might as well play a game and forget all about the real events!
Swiss, you are naughty!
But accurate!

 

[Wankel Ickx]

Word of the day for today - pathetic.

Pathetic.

It will only serve to accentuate the laughable nature of model race bikes that DON'T lean.

QUOTE F1 crashes these days can be a bit boring by comparison to those at NASCAR.

On the tenth anniversary of Senna's death these words are truly pathetic - There are human beings in those crashes, Mope. But it would be a pathetic thing to say at any time.

 

[Jamie]

The idea that you can watch a visual representation of a (similar kitted) competitor on screen from elsewhere in the country/abroad, well it's sounds quite a nifty idea.

Although not sure whether an online element would take off, due to so many variables. To be truthful, you can't beat the satisfaction gleaned from racing people in the same location - Why watch a slot car race unfold on television at a club? what about just watching the race itself?

Scalextric got to be applauded for this innovative approach to the hobby.

Jamie

 

[McLaren]

Totally agree Wankel. I had meant to put something in my post earlier, but there is so much to criticise...

Lotus

 

[Mr.M]

So are you saying, Moped, that Hornby are going to program realistic handling to be shown on the screen despite the shortcomings of the actual model?

May I suggest 1 or 2 "virtual" fixes they may like to consider elsewhere.............

 

[Difflock]

QUOTE (Jamie @ 25 Apr 2004, 20:35)The idea that you can watch a visual representation of a (similar kitted) competitor on screen from elsewhere in the country/abroad, well it's sounds quite a nifty idea.

To be truthful, you can't beat the satisfaction gleaned from racing people in the same location
I'm not too sure about that Jamie. I've had many an enjoyable online race with people as far afield as the USA and Australia. This wasn't with Sport world, but a video game, for which I use my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback steering wheel. Worth every penny as it kicks back over irregularities and goes light at appropriate times (any of you having a real car on opposite lock will know what I mean).
DOn't get me wrong - I really do enjoy the social aspect of getting together at a club night etc. That is one fundamental aspect of the hobby - meeting with like minded individuals, but I do have the opinion that online stuff can be fun too.

However, if I want to play agame and forget about real events the I'll power up the PS2 running Gran Turismo 3

Mark.

 

[McLaren]

At the end of exams I will be too!

I've heard that a few people have been doing online races (trust involved) already.

Set up identical tracks and run agreed number of laps on there, tell each other the times and you have a winner!

As I said, element of trust involved, but great for everyone and his dog who now have identical Carrera tracks at home.

Lotus

 

[moped rider]

QUOTE On the tenth anniversary of Senna's death these words are truly pathetic - There are human beings in those crashes, Mope. But it would be a pathetic thing to say at any time.

What about all those fighting and killing games? Should wars be stopped as a result of the carnage that we witness in these games? Wankel is linking virtual reality with real life and that is in bad taste in my book.

Don't get me wrong but I am a realist and racing drivers know the risks and crashes do happen. My cousin is (or was) a racing driver in Formula Ford and stock cars and he has crashed and walked away. The Senna issue was not just that he crashed but that the car did not stand up to the impact combined with a lack of run off and a barrier that could have had a better design. It was sadly also just very bad luck. There has been far worse since and the driver has walked away from the car. Since Senna safety has moved on and cars are more robust which is to be applauded by all who watch motorsport.

Virtual crashing is somewhat different and Wankel conveniently forgot to mention that I did say after the quote that Wankel selected that one of the joys of slot car racing is that you can have a spectactular crash without any risk of injury.

Players of virtual reality games like to see spectacular crashes built into the game design and this is something that Hornby have built in to the SPORT World platform. My guess is that most Slotforum members do not play virtual reality racing games and do not understand the market for such games. Hornby appear to and no doubt new "Slotforum type" message boards will spring up for those folk who embrace the new age of SPORT World where they will be able to natter about the new slot car future and set up races without the messages from the dinosuars of the old generation. (Before I am spammed I only use that expression because it is one used by them and they are big enough to admit that they are!

)

There is room for all in the slot car world and Slotforum appears to be supported by the older generation who broadly appear to be not approving. There are now 1,000,000 Xbox online gamers and countless more PS2 and PC online gamers. There no doubt is an overlap as some of the online gamesters are also slot car racers and those who are in the overlap will welcome the opportunity to combine the two as one.

People need to move with the times and no doubt message boards and some clubs will.

Moped

 

[Wankel Ickx]

Whoa! Hold up there, bucko.

In one paragraph you said;

QUOTE It was rather entertaining to watch the cars at the London Toy Fair on the big screens provided by Hornby. In fact large crowds gathered around and it was almost like watching live motor action but with more frequent and spectactular crashes. NASCAR type events could be a lot of fun to watch as I suspect Hornby picked up most of the crash sequences from that form of motor sport.

You ended it with this sick line;

QUOTE F1 crashes these days can be a bit boring by comparison to those at NASCAR.

I did not "conveniently forget" what you next typed. From comparing 1:1 Formula One to 1:1 Nascar you started a new paragraph regarding 1:32.

I'm saying folks who delight in "spectacular crashes" or who lament the tame nature of crashes in any form of motor racing are sick. IMHO.

Get my drift?

 

[moped rider]

OK bad choice of words if it has meant that some folk have taken the message the wrong way. A crash is a crash no matter how it happens and the drivers get paid a lot of money for the risks they take and they know full well what they are getting into. Nobody wishes any injury on a driver but sometimes things happen.

It would have been better to have said that crashes in NASCAR tend to be more spectacular these days by comparison with Formula 1.

Given that slot cars crash then any software that is designed to replicate on a TV screen what you see in real life relative to what you see on the slot car circuit by its very nature has to simulate how cars crash. That may mean that folk may have to watch many crashes in order to provide the simulation. In the same way that actors may watch certain things to help them play a part. Thats life.

And remember that folk here at Slotforum have already said that they are looking forward to seeing the MotoGP motorcyclist fall off the MotorGP bike as they crash.

I wonder how Hornby are going to replicate that on the big screen?

Moped

 

[minimental]

will the system include older scalextric cars if so it could be quite amusing to se a horse racing a porsche

 

[McLaren]

Generalising again moped?

QUOTE Players of virtual reality games like to see spectacular crashes built into the game design

QUOTE most Slotforum members do not play virtual reality racing games

Shocking how you can speak for so many people when you really have no idea what they think or do. I disgree strongly with the first statement. I almost threw up when I watched Brazil last season, and Alonso crashed at the end. I saw it live, and knowing that it was partly his own fault, made it no better. I could see a repeat of Imola '94 or maybe someone else coming round and crashing into him. Consequently, I don't like to be reminded of the dangers of motorsport when I am playing a computer game. I'm not sure what others think, but please don't speak for me or others in future when you have no idea on our feelings on the matter.

Regarding your cousin who had a 'crash' and walked away. I'm, guessing by your book it wasn't as 'spectacular' as Senna's? Do you wish it was?

Lotus