[moped rider]

Re-reading through Roger Gillham's book again he does make reference to changes that Scalextric were forced to make to cars as a result of tobacco legislation circa 1990.

Doing a bit of research on the web it is very clear to me now that slot car manufacturers who sell cars to minors are not permitted to include any form of reference to tobacco on any of their products.

It is also clear that toys are not permitted to be sold near any product that includes any form of reference to tobacco.

Any slot car retailer who stocks slot cars that include a tobacco livery should be excluding minors from their shop and their web site. You may be breaking the law if you do not apply this policy.

And if you sell a slot car to a minor which includes a tobacco livery you are breaking the law. No doubt about that!

Just thought it should be mentioned as slot car retailers clearly are at risk in this compensation society that we live in today.

Moped

 

[Russell Sheldon]

QUOTE Any slot car retailer who stocks slot cars that include a tobacco livery should be excluding minors from their shop and their web site.

Does this mean that minors should not be allowed to watch F1 Grand Prix races on television, other than the British, French and German GPs, nor read motor sport publications that feature pictures of racing cars with tobacco company liveries?

Kind regards,

Russell

 

[moped rider]

The legislation seems to quote a 10ft or 3M rule and you apparantly are not permitted to display in your toy shop any reference to tobacco that is within 10ft of an area accessible by minors. Also there are rules about the placement of tobacco sales outlets near to toy shops.

So you could in theory have an "adult only" area in your toy shop. Fly and Vanquish MG cars for example should in theory be seperated from those cars classified as "toys" and placed in a seperate room which does not have access to minors (under 16).

If you don't do this you may be breaking the law.

Viewing TV is something done in the home and parents are considered to be responsible for what their children view in the home.

But clearly retailers and manufacturers have a public liability and what they are able to permit minors to see appears to be controlled by legislation.

I can clearly see why Hornby and others take the approach that they do but Vanquish MG could be in serious trouble if they are not careful over how their JPS Lotus is being displayed in retail outlets. Vanquish MG should be giving clear instructions to their distributers to pass on to retailers. They have a duty of care.

Moped

 

[Russell Sheldon]

As a matter of interest, are these sold in France? :-

Red Bull has been banned in France on medical grounds. The French ban is based on the country's food laws, which stipulate a maximum allowed caffeine content in products.

QUOTE I can clearly see why Hornby and others take the approach that they do...

Moped, on the subject of tobacco advertising, you may wish to advise Hornby not to refer to the bikes in the MotoGP range, as stated on www.scalextricmotogp.com, as a "Ducati Marlboro" and a "Camel Honda", or to place an age restriction on the website, to save them from possible prosecution.

Kind regards,

Russell

 

[peter]

Yes that is rather interesting...

I was wondering how Scalextric got around that tobacco issue on their forthcoming motorbikes. But maybe it just was not that thoroughly thought through.... Or we might have different advertisement and tampo-printed european versions when they eventually arrive???

Or maybe just a sticker across the 'offending' advertisement?

Or maybe a BIG sign 'not to be sold to minors' or in 'toyshops' (only available in 'proper' modelshops for adults?).

//peter

If you think about it - they do have some kind of assertion (refering to the motorbikes here) which refers to the 'mature driver' - I think...

//peter

 

[astro]

regarding JPS, as far as I know, JPS is not a current cigarette/tobacco brand, at least in the UK. Does the law apply to no longer existing/historical *** brands?

 

[BEEJAY7]

Well I'm just about to start my XJR9 in Silk Cut colours.

I don't see how it is possible to model historic cars without the Liveries they ran it at the time.

As far as current days replica's go, then again I think they should represent the car they are based on.

I agree it could be a problem for manufacturers, long live the aftermarket decal suppliers!.

Regards

Alan

 

[Intergrali]

oh deary me.. what a great great shame... but tbh who gives one? I dont there is tobacco advertising everywhere walk into most shops nowadays and you can buy ciggies

 

[moped rider]

The Scalextric MotoGP bikes will not include any reference to tobacco products on them and this has been agreed with MotoGP.

They are still amazingly going to have around 200 seperate paint prints per bike so it could have been much higher!

As for the website...

...this is not the only Scalextric material that makes reference to the tobacco companies.

The MotoGP bikes are aimed at an adult audience as the detailing is simply too good for kids. However, I do expect that kids will be the main excuse for dad purchasing these and the sets.

Moped

 

[Difflock]

Doesn't this whole aspect take the biscuit, if not the entire packet of Digestives? I realise that toy shops are different to Spar shops, but the tobacco in our local Spar is definitely NOT 3m away from minors and/or in a separate room. The cigarette display is just behind the counter in FULL VIEW of any minors. Any comment moped seeing as you have a handle on the legal side of things? Sorry if that question came out a bit flippant, it's not meant to be - this is a serious subject.

Seems to me like bureaucracy has gone mad! Taking this to the next level, when is the govt. going to ban Airfix kits? Most kits include a variety of weapon loads which the aircraft can carry. Any idea the amount of devastation a 2000 lb bomb would do or even a cluster bomb dispenser for that matter in a housing estate, or a school? Minors can quite easily purchase these kits...... Some even have "special weapons" on them, or at least aftermarket kits including special weapons. By the term "special weapons" I mean nuclear warheads and/or chemical dispensers. Far more upsetting than a packet of ****.

It must be said however, that I quite enjoy the way the motorsport teams come up with ideas of altering their tobacco sponsor's names to get round the advertising - Buzzin' Hornets etc.

Mark.

OOPS alcohol can be addictive too, sorry for the beer glasses!

 

[Fergy]

It's the hypocrisy that drives me nuts. If a product is so evil that it can't be advertised, then why is it legal to make and sell it? Yes, rhetorical question...the answer of course is tax money.

I can watch advertisements for alcohol, ads for high-fat, high-cholesterol fast foods and snack foods, ads for lethal garden chemicals, and I can work in an atmosphere heavy with diesel fuel smoke (which is only marginally less carcinogenic than tobacco if exposure levels are even just moderate! And mine are high!). But I can't have Marlboro or Rothmans on my slot cars? Insanity.

 

[Intergrali]

I think it takes the packet of chocolate and caramel covered digestives

moped your encouraging drinking to underage folks!
do your kids drink?

last comment on the phone was "no sorry mate too tired to go the pub see ya"

so umm.. I can smoke legally, which is once addictive, and one thing that I will not do because the end of a scalpel tastes soo much better, however I cannot legally drink, now some will testify that I do sometimes have a *little* to drink every "now and then". Oh and driving.. you can smoke before your driving, soo umm, smoking while driving now er the law doesnt say you cant do that, but then again the law states that you cant hold a mobile while driving.. go figure!

 

[Difflock]

That's the beauty of auto transmission, Inte! When I used to have my Rover SD1 I could go to MacDonald's, get my meal and then drive home in traffic whilst eating and drinking (choccy milkshake!)

World gone mad! Thanks for the heads up on the diesel issue, Fergy! Must torch the family car - diesel Maestro Turbo! Then again, isn't that cat's piss known as unleaded fuel carcinogenic? Wonder if Blackpool airport wil let me buy avgas? Oh well....

Mark.

 

[Intergrali]

yeah, it's kinda hard in manuals.. on bikes it's tricky too.. now just to figure how I can get my bike to change gear automatically..

 

[McLaren]

Hey Inte,

Don't you hate that under 16's, maybe even under 18's can't buy slot racing stuff. Not just tobacco cars, but knives, lighter fluid, spray paint, super glue and other stuff... Did you ever have trouble before you were 16? I know I did.

Lotus

 

[Wankel Ickx]

What is your source of this information, Mope? You seem to be quite specific on the exclusion zone and I think it odd - not that you get specific - but the distances an' all.

I mean, ciggies are often to be seen for sale within 10ft of the sweets, how they get away with that in the corner shops?

Got a url?

[Edited for typo]

 

[Intergrali]

Not just tobacco cars, but knives, lighter fluid, spray paint, super glue and other stuff

tobacco cars no..
knives BnQ happily sold me then plus dremel bits
lighter fluid get for free with glue and other stuff

paint- no

 

[McLaren]

You must live in a good area...

Gonna come up there soon, for the next Wrexham weekend...

 

[Fergy]

Difflock, you can probably keep the family car.

I work in a rail yard, driving a diesel-powered mobile crane (one of about a dozen), along with a dozen or so diesel trucks, diesel train engines, etc. On a good night you can almost see through the diesel haze. Government says that's fine (even though the very research they sponsored shows diesel smoke to be very highly carcinogenic), but hey... tobacco ads? Nope, can't have that! Those ads might kill ya!

 

[McLaren]

I feel sorry for you Fergy, it's bad enough down the pub on a Saturday night...

Don't mind the smell of petrol though...