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TYRES - AN IDIOT'S GUIDE

83K views 128 replies 49 participants last post by  RichD  
There's a couple of things I'd like to add re: the original post.
You can't apply pressure, you apply force. Pressure is a result of force and contact area, from our Physics lessons Pressure = Force/Area or p=F/A. So as tyres get wider the pressure on the road reduces for the same area.

As with every area of a race cars settings, any adjustment compromises another setting. Yes it's true that thinner tyres give more grip due to a smaller tyre contact patch but that comes at the expense of something else. One of those is tyre wear is increased and the rear end will tend to let go more easily as the increased load on the tyre contact patch cause overheating and thus loss of grip.

Don't forget that tyres only give grip when they are at the correct temperature...which is another variable unfortunately. Why do you think F1 cars have such wide tyres?...The main reason for tyres being the size they are is actually heat management. Wider, low sidewall tyres will cool better than narrow tall tyres. If you can't get a tyre up to temperature it will give reduced grip, if you get it too high you will cook the rubber and ruin the set of tyres.

There's a good debate here - wide tyres giving better traction
 
There's a simple test to prove whether thin tyres give more grip than fat tyres. If I run a few race laps with my Allslot F1 with 12mm NSR untreated Ultragrips (on our track that's in the region of a 6.0" lap) now put 8mm wide tyres on I can guarantee the lap times won't be quicker, in fact they'll probably be nearer 7.0" laps. The thin tyres will also wear like crazy due to overheating as the rear end will be fishtailing all through the corners.
In my experience cars with narrow tyres are much slower round the track than those with wide tyres.
 
QUOTE (tamar.nelwan @ 8 Sep 2016, 22:09) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As Kevan mentioned early in the discussion "Pressure is a result of force and contact area...So as tyres get wider the pressure on the road reduces for the same area"
Which you have shown really well here Tamar

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...Thanks for the great extra info you posted
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Over the years I've read numerous posts on SlotForum claiming that the best tyres are the dog's b***cks. Intrigue has finally got the better of me. Who is the dog, where can I buy his b***cks and, more importantly, how do I fit them to my rims?
You'll probably find it barking up the wrong tree
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3 in 1 oil - takes 12 hours for best effect

Tea Tree oil - takes as long as it takes to dry for best effect

The longer it takes for the additive to work best the longer the grip seems to last. So for these two, Tea Tree oil gives mega grip but doesn't last a 3 minute heat. Whereas 3 in 1 oil has a lasting effect and a quick clean with lighter fluid between heats if there's time will give them a boost.

...and the search function is all you need to find info on this subject over the (many) years
 
. So I would argue that less rubber on the track does NOT necessarily equal more grip. There's more to it than that.
Correct, it doesn't equal more grip or F1s wouldn't have huge wide rear tyres.
What less rubber does mean is more wear.
 
Oh. Someone resurrected this old hot potato? Yikes.

Okay, so let's expose some standard Wankel lack of thinking disguised as....

Oh.

Wait.

Ah....

Yes, so I typed out a whole argument and in doing so realised the foolishness of said argument.

As you were. 😬
I don't believe you :rolleyes:
 
...Therefore for best performance the front and rear tyres may need to be quite different.
Total opposites in fact 99% of the time, wide and grippy at the rear, narrow and slippy at the front (RWD car, front tyres rolling on the track).
 
A quick look on Smooth-on website finds:

SO-FLEX™ II - Softening agent that will lower the cured durometer of a variety of Smooth-On flexible polyurethane products.
 
Kevan the Soflex has to be added to the raw urathane before moulding doesn't it and not wiped on to a cured tyre as a solvent ?
I'm sure it says on the website to soften cured PU.
 
can storing tires in a zip lock back help tires last a little longer? Seems to work with rubber bands.
Foam tyres will last years in a sealed tin, I have a tin full that are still as good as when they were put in there 15 years ago.
Silicones last decades.
Untreated rubber will probably last years but will depend on their constituents as some turn to rock, some turn to mush.
Not sure about Urethane but I had a length of poured urethane that turned to rock after about 10 years.
 
On tyres been having a problem recently with marbles especially on ALL NSR tyres we won't even talk about EVO here they are dreadful especially running on Carrera or a textured track .
Even having trouble with the Classics once the tread has worn of , don't use gunk but treat the tyres to a regular clean with lighter fuel , but all of a sudden the shops here i used to buy it look at me as though i have just landed from Mars, lighter fuel sir we don't do it anymore no petrol lighters.
Now i know somewhere on the planet you must still be able to get it, or can anyone recommend a substitute i can readily buy to do the same job ta.
BBQ fuel or camping fuel.

...and give Thunderslot 002 or 004 tyres a try...they're somewhere between original (pre Evo) NSR Supers and Ultras