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Rick,

It is a bit difficult to make you understand my issues and I hope that you read it thoroughly before you answer.

First of all let's start with the statement that I did not customize Ultima like you suggest. I tried to explain that I do not use Ultima because it does not work. You might call it a glitch but when you launch a new feature called Ultima that promises to power both entry and exit flippers, but does not energize that exit flipper, then it simply does not work. The picture (post#20) shows the track at this present-day with the original design of combining PEARL and AC before Ultima (let's call it Bu).

Because of this specific feature (PEARL & AC) I decided to invest €200 for development of the system and become an early adaptor way back in 2009? My starting order contained 32 Lainbrains, 4 controllers, 10 decoders and 1 dongle, almost €2.500 worth of business! To my knowledge I am the only Scorpius user with the maximum amount of 32 LB's built in a MDF racing line track. So I believe I must be an expert user in this territory.

Every now and then a car misses a LB Led, or should it be that a LB misses a car? In fact I can't determine which one is the right description but if a car does not change lanes on its PEARL path like it's done 100 laps before it can be described like a car misses a LB. Since day 1 I install al of my LC sensors besides the guide flag. I even made a drilling template that fits in the guideflag hole to determine the exact 12mm position to drill…..

The 6 led's in the picture are required to operate PEARL and AC Bu. It might look way to complex, but there's guy way down under that invented and recommended it Bu. For a lane change to work, and AC ticked on in the LB setup program a car needs to pass an AC beacon will it activate a lane change at the LC beacon. In the scenario where an exit flipper is very close to the next entry flipper the system needs two LC led's for two reasons. 1; There needs to be enough distance between the LC led and the tip of the entry flipper for the system to react in time to a lane change. 2; the beam, or range of the transmitter and receiver led's are not big enough to see each other when they are not lined up correctly. Before Ultima (present) both functions operate for a x period of time or laps. This x period of time can be 1 minute, 4 laps or 10 laps. Signs of mishaps in the functionality are at random lane changes or no lane changing at all. Powering down the LB's for 5 secs and starting them up again gives full functionality back for another x period of time.

On several occasions on the Slotforum and by PM I asked you if Ultima could use more than 1 LC beacon for the reasons I explained above and in the potst on SF and PM. You never gave me an answer. By the way you kept avoiding to answer the question directly I could have guessed the answer…….

Posted 03 March 2016 - 02:47 PM

Please don't Rick. I do race a lot without the use of my PC, just a few laps without starting up the old WIN7 PC...

I am also not waiting for goodies like KERS, tyre wear and changing weather conditions, they are way to artifical for me. Just leave the communciation like it is, straight from the controller to the car like it was ment to be.

Instead of these goodies I would like you to invest in upgrading the existing tools. It would be great to store throttle curves and upload them from a file to your controller. The other way around should be awesome aswell so you could retrieve a throttle curve from one controller and upload it to another one. The much requested adjustable timeout and vibrofunctions for the controller are high on my list aswell. Another point will be the glitch that is still in the LB8.0 or 8.1 firmware, just try to fix that first before other functions are added. Upgrading to Ultima means I have to rewire 32 LB's because using
PEARL and AC together is the way my track is designed. I have tested it on two LB's but I am not confinced it works like it should be working. On a lot of my LB's I have installed more thean one LC led because I want to change lanes from the best lane and the adjecent lane. Although I have asked you twice you never answered this important question for me. Powering the exit flipper does'nt work like you descriped, It does'nt change back in the default polarity but stays like it was lastly activated. Cars entering on that line (with the AC led in it) find a exit flipper with the wrong polarity. The right polatrity is needed because on an best lane track the LC led for the next entry flipper is besides the exit flipper of the first LC.
If you use this AC led for activating the exit flipper the problem should be solved.

I am just a bit anxious to reboot all of my 32 LB's because they sometimes just freeze.... and I really do not know if the changes are working or are for the better. Changing the rules during a game makes the game less attractive to play....
Changing communications, LB wiring changes the way this game was initially played and it could become less attractive at this moment...

Regards Marc
For the last time a will ask you again to implement the feauture in Ultima to use more than 1 LC an/or AC beacon if required. Simply because it's mandatory for my track to operate with the feature that made me decide to invest in Scorpius. In the Bu era you simply put the LED's in series and it worked. I do not have to explain again that I installed 26 LB's on the racing line following the recommended specs and set-up in a wooden track that can not be altered or rebuild in a one nights eve. It's a bit like you tell an ice hockey team that is ready to play in the Olympics, invested a lot of practice time and money in their equipment, that you changed the rules and they are playing field hockey instead………..

Regards Marc
 

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Hi Rick,

All my diagrams include the LC and AC beacons before the entry flipper. Yours does not. Your diagram looks nothing like any diagram I have ever released.
Mine are before the entry flipper aswell. The beacons shown are for LB#25. The entry flipper is just on the right side of the picture. All your diagrams are on straights and only show one LC section. Mine are in corners and because they are situated close together the beacon sections can be on the entry and exit flipper of a former LC.

I do not understand your method. Frankly I'm confused. And you say you haven't customised it but then say you have because it "doesn't work". Again I'm confused. Either way I'm sure I wouldn't have agreed to any custom ideas because I cannot personally see how it can work.
I am using the "adding additional LED's on the Lainbrain" section of the Scorpius Installation guide version 2.1, page 17 of 21. It describes how to put additional led's in series so sliding cars can be detected aswell. Altough my cars are not sliding I figured out that that sliding car could be a car in the racing line section that crosses from lane 1 to 2 on a track. In fact I needed this configuration for my track to work and because it worked there was never a question of it was intended to work like this. You might be confused because you may not have known about this functionallity because it might never have crossed your mind.

The exit flipper firmware is being fixed. But now you need to change the LEDs to spec and its going to be time consuming. You want me to make new LB for your track only? I also explained that the LB only has 2 LED drivers, even though it has 4 LEDS. I explained that an extra LED was not possible without a total remanufacture and then redundancy. Maybe you missed those posts.
Like you I had to invent and design my track and how to make the best of use of the scorpius equipment. I came across a lot of challenges how to make things work. If a LB with the existing drivers and microprocessor can power up to 2 LC and 2 AC beacons and even more LED's in series (6 LED's on many of my LB's) I do not understand why it cannot power 2 LC led's in series and only 1 AC in the Ultima version. In practise the Ultima configuration receives way less information and pulses than the LB versions up til 8.0 because there is only 1 LED (LC or AC) per lane. The AC LED simply prevents or cuts the LC signal if a car passes. But if Jon says so, I ll have to trust on his expertise.

I might have missed those posts and I really do not know where they are posted. They were certainly not posted anywhere near my explicit inquiries or on my PM about the subject. I really do not want you to design a LB esspecially for me, i just want the system to be as perfect as possible for my track and other scorpius users that might face the same issues as I am. And in my opinion its just adding an extra LC led in series which is possible in the other than Ultimate firmware versions. Again I trust on Jon's expertise.

If so you cannot say it does not work. By the time the car has reached the exit flipper AC and PEARL have both been successfully carried out. Of course if you place the LED beside the exit flipper (I never knew you were doing this and none of my diagrams were designed for such, sorry.
I gues I was thinking more out of the box than you did. And forgive me for being bold but the tracks I have seen from you (SSD digital and you wooden 5 or 6 laner) are not designed as a racing line track and have their LC's on the straights.

So here I offer a simple solution. just 2 LEDs, not 6. You would have simply needed to push the other 4 LEDs through the table, because lets face it the AC and LC LED placement (The LC LED before the flipper, and the AC LED adjacent the LC LED) has always been identical. Your diagram is not like this.
My diagram is exactly like it should be for a lower dan LV 8.0 version, Sadly pushing the redundant LED's through the table does not work because they need to be removed voor Ultima to work....

Can I make an extra LC LED as you request? Sorry I cant, if I could I would. If I could it would be spaghetti, too many wires, LEDs and install. You see I think you think its purely a firmware upgrade needed, but its a hardware rebuild you are asking for, wether you realise or not. Again I did announce this over 18 months ago about the amount of LED drivers etc.. So I'm not sure why you're requesting something I'' already stated cant be done. Your only issue now is you do not wish to move the LEDs. I can understand this. But that is the only solution. You must wire it exactly as Ultima is designed or I simply and sadly not help you.
Finally a clear and direct answer to my question. Your way to many wires argument is not valid cause I only asked for one extra LC led in series which ads approximatly 2 cm's of extra wire between the LED's.

The Ultima solution came out of knowwhere in a system where users are suppost to give their feedback on future functions. To be developed or already introduced. I tested it, gave you some remarks about the functionality I preferred and I also mentioned the fault in the exit flipper polarity. On the direct questions you did not give me direct answers and now you put the blaim on me for coming back on an announcement you did 18 months ago. It feels like you have ticked of your PEARL and AC box a long time ago without solving the exit flipper issue and it therefore went of your radar. It might be my mistake not asking you again about my prefered answers and solution, but I had made several attempts and like I wrote before, my entousiasm for the Scorpius system declined....

I have to reconsider how I can make Ultima work be repostioning the LC leds without coming to close to the tip of the entry flipper, the loss of being able to change lanes at every LC from the racing line or the adjecent lane, or put some Scorpius equipement on the second hand market. Before I make any descison you can sent the Ultima LB fix to [email protected]

Regards Marc
 
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