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Well, I see it appears that they are going to do something other than F1 and Can Am...maybe the Courage C60 and Alfa Romeo 33TT12....
Do you suppose they would wise-up and do THOSE in the proper scale?
I mean -- I guess sticking with 1/28 for the historic Can Am cars was a conscious decision, [though not one I agree with..."well, since the first few were big, lets just make them ALL big.." ]
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But if these last two don't fit in [size wise] with all the existing Le Mans cars I already have, then there's absolutely no use having them.
They have a chance to fix things. The question is...will they be wise enough to do it, or keep on compounding their error?
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Do you suppose they would wise-up and do THOSE in the proper scale?
I mean -- I guess sticking with 1/28 for the historic Can Am cars was a conscious decision, [though not one I agree with..."well, since the first few were big, lets just make them ALL big.." ]
But if these last two don't fit in [size wise] with all the existing Le Mans cars I already have, then there's absolutely no use having them.
They have a chance to fix things. The question is...will they be wise enough to do it, or keep on compounding their error?
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QUOTE (Schweitz58 @ 15 Feb 2004, 06:00 PM)Well, I see it appears that they are going to do something other than F1 and Can Am...maybe the Courage C60 and Alfa Romeo 33TT12....
Do you suppose they would wise-up and do THOSE in the proper scale?
I mean -- I guess sticking with 1/28 for the historic Can Am cars was a conscious decision, [though not one I agree with..."well, since the first few were big, lets just make them ALL big.." ]
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But if these last two don't fit in [size wise] with all the existing Le Mans cars I already have, then there's absolutely no use having them.
They have a chance to fix things. The question is...will they be wise enough to do it, or keep on compounding their error?
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MS
Actually, they already TRIED to get the right scale for the Lotus 72. Word is, that the Le Mans cars WILL be proper 1/32 scale, if they will have proper proportions - we'll see....
Do you suppose they would wise-up and do THOSE in the proper scale?
I mean -- I guess sticking with 1/28 for the historic Can Am cars was a conscious decision, [though not one I agree with..."well, since the first few were big, lets just make them ALL big.." ]
But if these last two don't fit in [size wise] with all the existing Le Mans cars I already have, then there's absolutely no use having them.
They have a chance to fix things. The question is...will they be wise enough to do it, or keep on compounding their error?
MS
Actually, they already TRIED to get the right scale for the Lotus 72. Word is, that the Le Mans cars WILL be proper 1/32 scale, if they will have proper proportions - we'll see....
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Well, I guess Scott didn't see any Vanquish news from the London or Nurnberg fairs and he wanted to check if anyone around knew something ...
Regarding the scale of forthcoming releases I'm not optimistic at all. My dealer told me they would be too large because VMG want to keep the same chassis and the fact that the Mirage (a Le Mans car, not a Can Am) is indeed too large proves him right.
That's why people who are unhappy about the scale should not buy VMG cars anymore till they are the right scale.
I certainly didn't buy any Mirage car even though I love that car (as usual, VMG make excellent car choices !)
Regarding the scale of forthcoming releases I'm not optimistic at all. My dealer told me they would be too large because VMG want to keep the same chassis and the fact that the Mirage (a Le Mans car, not a Can Am) is indeed too large proves him right.
That's why people who are unhappy about the scale should not buy VMG cars anymore till they are the right scale.
I certainly didn't buy any Mirage car even though I love that car (as usual, VMG make excellent car choices !)
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I thought the rumour was that they were going belly up.
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Exactly what I heard, but is it a Mark Twain case or has it more substance?
Scott
Scott
But if not greatly exaggerated,
then perhaps the price of their existing models may become so . . .
then perhaps the price of their existing models may become so . . .
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That's my worry - do I need to buy a couple of Lotii now?
Of course, it might be a case like the Bburago F40 about 15 years ago. Bburgao sold a 1/18 diecast F40 for about £10. Nice model, if lacking in detail but nothing a few hours with a paint brush wouldn't cure. Some resin kit specialist even made super detailling kits of photo-etched parts etc.
Anyway, there was arumour not long after the car was released that the tooling made been damaged and there woud be no more. Panic set in (among some at any rate) and I recall seeing an ad offering £200 for an example of what my corner shop were still offering for £10.
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Of course, it might be a case like the Bburago F40 about 15 years ago. Bburgao sold a 1/18 diecast F40 for about £10. Nice model, if lacking in detail but nothing a few hours with a paint brush wouldn't cure. Some resin kit specialist even made super detailling kits of photo-etched parts etc.
Anyway, there was arumour not long after the car was released that the tooling made been damaged and there woud be no more. Panic set in (among some at any rate) and I recall seeing an ad offering £200 for an example of what my corner shop were still offering for £10.
Scott
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Why the hell should they go belly up?????? Just because they did not have a stand on the toyfairs? I do not know how this is in London but stands in Nuremberg have to be ordered two years in advance and are pretty expensive. Most small slot car manufacturers did not have a stand in Nuremberg, their news were shown by their respective distributors and Vanquish's German distributor did not have a stand (and it seems that this was the same case in London).
They have announced some new models for February: A new variant of their (excellent) Mirage and a McLaren M8E. The Alfa should come out in April and will be to the same scale as the Mirage while the Courage Peugeot will be a 1:32 model (that's what they promised). The next F1 model will be the March and it's due for release in March
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- at least that's what I've been told.
There is no substance to these rumours and I can't see the point in spreading them.
They have announced some new models for February: A new variant of their (excellent) Mirage and a McLaren M8E. The Alfa should come out in April and will be to the same scale as the Mirage while the Courage Peugeot will be a 1:32 model (that's what they promised). The next F1 model will be the March and it's due for release in March
There is no substance to these rumours and I can't see the point in spreading them.
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Let me help you out here, Scott.
Moving....
Et voila, we are now in The Pit Lane.
No, no. Don't thank me. It's all in a days work. Ahh, I'll sleep soundly tonight knowing that my work here is done for today.
Moving....
Et voila, we are now in The Pit Lane.
No, no. Don't thank me. It's all in a days work. Ahh, I'll sleep soundly tonight knowing that my work here is done for today.
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I guess the $2 pound is not helping VMG.
Their cars are for the most part aimed at the USA collector market and unless they move their production to China like MRRC have done recently, or increase their wholesale prices to their USA customers by around 18%, then the current $ situation, scale situation, and differential situation is all going against them at the moment.
The diff is the cause of the scale issues.
My advice to VMG is ditch the diff, keep the prices low, produce proper 1/32 scale cars.
Ignore at your peril.
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Moped
Their cars are for the most part aimed at the USA collector market and unless they move their production to China like MRRC have done recently, or increase their wholesale prices to their USA customers by around 18%, then the current $ situation, scale situation, and differential situation is all going against them at the moment.
The diff is the cause of the scale issues.
My advice to VMG is ditch the diff, keep the prices low, produce proper 1/32 scale cars.
Ignore at your peril.
Cheers
Moped
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WHOA!
QUOTE My advice to VMG is ditch the diff, keep the prices low, produce proper 1/32 scale cars.
What's this? Me in agreement with the Rider?
Shurely shome mishtake?
QUOTE My advice to VMG is ditch the diff, keep the prices low, produce proper 1/32 scale cars.
What's this? Me in agreement with the Rider?
Shurely shome mishtake?
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QUOTE What's this? Me in agreement with the Rider?
Do not worry - Blair's Third Theory of BS explains it. Simply, if you say enough about any subject for long enough then you will find yourself in agreement in parts with everyone.
Anyway, Mope' I am quite sure that the worried chiefs at Vanquish will rest easy tonight knowing all they must do to recoup the turnover and profit lost in exchange rate fluctuations is, by your reckoning, reduce prices, give up their unique selling point and re-tool for new models.
I think we need a new symbol to attach to some posts to warn readers of the Twilight Zone nature of some of the logic used. A few bars of the theme tune would be nice too.
Scott
Do not worry - Blair's Third Theory of BS explains it. Simply, if you say enough about any subject for long enough then you will find yourself in agreement in parts with everyone.
Anyway, Mope' I am quite sure that the worried chiefs at Vanquish will rest easy tonight knowing all they must do to recoup the turnover and profit lost in exchange rate fluctuations is, by your reckoning, reduce prices, give up their unique selling point and re-tool for new models.
I think we need a new symbol to attach to some posts to warn readers of the Twilight Zone nature of some of the logic used. A few bars of the theme tune would be nice too.
Scott
Unfortunately, we already have a mobile Twilight Zone.
QUOTE I guess the $2 pound is not helping VMG.
Two of which nation's dollars to the £GBP?
QUOTE Their cars are for the most part aimed at the USA collector market
From where did this pearl of wisdom arise?
Nothing wrong with expressing a personal opinion, but please don't present it as a 'FACT'.
QUOTE The diff is the cause of the scale issues.
Ditto above comment - it's an opinion, not a fact.
Can anyone make sense of simultaneous advice to 'raise prices by 18%' and to 'keep the prices low.'?
The advice to dump the problematic diff and conform to 1/32 scale is actually sound, but loses credibility by association.
QUOTE I guess the $2 pound is not helping VMG.
Two of which nation's dollars to the £GBP?
QUOTE Their cars are for the most part aimed at the USA collector market
From where did this pearl of wisdom arise?
Nothing wrong with expressing a personal opinion, but please don't present it as a 'FACT'.
QUOTE The diff is the cause of the scale issues.
Ditto above comment - it's an opinion, not a fact.
Can anyone make sense of simultaneous advice to 'raise prices by 18%' and to 'keep the prices low.'?
The advice to dump the problematic diff and conform to 1/32 scale is actually sound, but loses credibility by association.
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