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Hello there,

I recently build a new track, which is now race ready. I would like to ' open' this track with a 2 hrs endurance race with 3 cars, 2 drivers per car.

My track is 2 lane, 19 m. SSD. I have about 90 cars, but since It is a new track I really need 3 new cars : )

In my experience with mostly scalextric cars, even the same type of cars can end up with very different lap times. I recently bought a Carerra DTM Audi and I am very pleased with the performance. I can only assume, based on the experiences with the audi, that carrera's recent porsches, Z4's and corvettes are great cars for a 2 hrs endurance. My first thoughts were 3 scalextric porsches, but I have 2 similar cars with a 1 sec. difference in lap time, that is just too much. And that is after sanding tyres and the basic things you can do.
Than I thought 3 carrera porsches, or 3 carrera cars from the same class. The thing is, they should have light and have similar performances.
What would you recommend and why ? Thanks !

Magnets in BTW.
 

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I would recommend Pioneer Mustangs !

Why :

Good looking
Similar chassis - different colours
DPR
Good performance
 

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How much money do you want to spend - 3 cars of the same model from Slot It or NSR would have much more consistent performance than 3 from Carrera or Scalextric.
 

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Thanks for the input so far. I am not really into mustangs etc., I'd prefer modern race livery cars.

Slot It or NSR are too fast for a 19 m. digital track, fun for an occasional GP but I think too much asked for some not so experienced drivers. That's why I looked at Carrera, nice and steady performance. I just have no idea how much they differ out of the box from one model to another. I came across a nice offer for 2 Carrera BMW Z4' s and one Porsche for about 90 euro.
 

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Ok, last week we had a 2nd edition of a 2 hrs race on my SSD track. This time we used Scalextric Lamborgini, Litster and Porsche. We tested before and lap times were about similar, and so was fuel usage. However after 2 hrs It was clear that the Lister was the better car, I bet anyone who had picked that car that night would have won.
We plan to do this event on a regular base, so I keep searching for low cost similar performance cars. I know Slot It or NSR would probably be a good choice, but some of the guys only race on my track now and than, I don't want to force them in buying a NSR and chip.
Now I heard good stories about SCX Nascars with the new 42B motor. How good are they really ? Is there performance equal, with and without magnet ? And If I pick 3 SCX Aston Martins, would that be the same ? Or anyone other suggestions ? Thanks !

impression of 2nd edition of 2 hrs race recently
 

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I too would be very interested in anyones opinion of the SCX NASCARs. My personaly experience with SCX is that the cars are highly variable - some run beautifully, some run terribly. So how are the NASCARs?
 

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Some cars I have used in endurance races

scalextric aston martins - all the same apart from livery. My advice would be to find however many scalextric cars of the same kind with different liveries.

scx mk2 escorts - not so great for racing but still fun.

nsr clio/punto - the setting up of the cars makes a big difference so make sure they are all set up the same.

Other ones my clubs have done are slot.it alfas, and from what ive heard it was very good. the same guy set all the cars up to be as identical as possible.

If you use cars you have a lot of in your collection you can always swap motors with other cars to get them close to each other.
 

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Our group just ran an 1.5 hour event. Feild included Scaly 2 Porsche 911's, Aston Martin, Jag, Ferrari 430 and Carrera Porsche 911. Throughout the event the top four cars, were never separated by more than a few laps with only four laps separating the first three at the finish. The Carrera finished first then Jag, F430, Aston and scaly porsches. We used 2 drivers per team, pairing our quickest, with the slowest, second quickest with second slowest and so on. Interestingly it was the pairing of the middle two driving the Carrera Porsche. Maybe, over the time frame it's more about driving consistency than either outright speed, or car compatability.

This was also reflected in an event run last year over 3 hrs where the cars were all Aussie V8's equally tuned. Again it was the middle driver pairing which came out on top. In both events the winning team did not lead early, but worked their way through as driver changes took place.
 

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Very interesting Dreamer. Can you be a little more specific on the cars ? Where there any super resistant cars in the field ? And did you use magnets, or other tyres ? We actually have all the cars you mention. A picture maybe :)

Good idea about the formation of the teams. In our case It was not te most consistent team that won, so I am sure It was the car and therefore very interested in other peoples experiences. Did you race digital too ?
 

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Hi Minardi,

It's not clear if you run the 4 car power base or the 6 car powerbase.

I run the new APB with Andy Wallace's excellent SSDC software. Well worth including in your future upgrade plans.

SSDC allows you to limit the maximum power of individual cars in 1% increments. This would allow you to fine tune the available power and you could get your cars very, very close in terms of top speed.

SSDC also allows you to adjust throttle maps - the way that power is delivered to the car as you squeeze the hand controller - this would allow you to give more mid-range grunt to the weedier motors and tame the excessive torque of the meatier motors.

With time and patience you could get your cars within thousands of a second of each other in terms of lap times. PLUS your 3 teams of 2 could become 6 teams of 1 - much more fun and much more necessary to use Super Resistant cars!!!

Cheaper alternative?

Run a series of races either on the same night or over a series of nights - simply rotate the cars around the teams and award championship points. Nobody can complain about mismatched cars then. The only thing is that if you have a clearly much better car; that one will always win over such long races. Try shortening the races, that way a couple of deslots could tip the balance. Instead of 120 minutes of endurance racing you could do 3 x 40 minutes with each team driving a different one of the three race cars in each of the races.
 

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The SCX Nascars are pretty good Just one point watch the motors as we have 2 of the cars blow up a scalex chip

On our Oval we run Scalex Standard NASCARS the inline version repainted into lane colours therse are very similar

We run a 100 lap race with fuel use enabled and anyone can win with any car from any grid position

By using fuel we have some people stopping 4/5 times and yet some can do the same race distance on 1/2 stops it is not always the fastest driver over a lap that wins

Personally I would recomed getting the same cars as even different but similar cars will perform different and suit others more than some cars

Also cars will change the longer they run some will get better and some will get worse thats just the way it is

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Unfortunately we didn't take any pictures, but all cars had full interiors. We run on a wood track, and do use urethanes (MJK or home made). Apart fom speed, handling is another factor to consider. Our observation is that the Jag and Aston handle better better than the other scaley's but again, the Carrera porsche had the most ballanced handling of all cars. It was not the fastest in a straight line, but when combined with good handling and consistent driving produced an winning outcome.
 

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@ Michael QUOTE The SCX Nascars are pretty good Just one point watch the motors as we have 2 of the cars blow up a scalex chip

I had that happen in the past and forgot SCX cars until recently. I hoped/thought that the nwe 42B motor was friendlier to the SSD chip ?

@Mr Modifier QUOTE It's not clear if you run the 4 car power base or the 6 car powerbase.
Currently the PB Pro with SSDC but this will change to APB very soon. I have thought about 3 races of 40 min., but it has some kind of charm to race 120 minutes with the same car. Other possibility would be to use the same cars again next event and change car/team. Individual powerlimiting with APB sounds interesting.

@Dreamer; thanks for the info, definitely worth a try. Take out magnet and fit better tyres.
 

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QUOTE (Minardi @ 29 Jan 2012, 09:27) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Individual powerlimiting with APB sounds interesting.

It's SSDC that does the power limiting (although you may need the APB to be able to do this - you'll need to ask Awallace).

If you don't have the latest version of SSDC maybe you need to download it and give it a go. It has come on leaps and bounds recently with tons of extra features - it's hard keeping up!
 
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