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QUOTE Have Ninco lost the plot ????

That's a definite maybe


When I returned to the hobby (again!) in '98, to do well in GT racing at the two clubs I went to at the time, you NEEDED a Ninco McLaren or a Ninco CLK GTR, otherwise it was wooden spoon city here we come....

Back to the present day, and there's probably only one class, rally no-mags, where ninco is anywhere near competitive... the rest of the classes it's a case of it'd be nice to run Ninco, but only for the points, and not a win - unless you get lucky


Having said that, most of my Ninco gear is tough 'n' reliable - eg if I drive my Ninco M3 off the track and onto the floor, I pick it up and put it back on the track. If I drive my FLY M3 onto the floor... I get out the brush and shovel to collect the bits....

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Ninco don't seem to appreciate the techniques of demand generation... Whilst I'm not saying they do a 'FLY GT40' and announce stuff years in advance, it'd be nice if they gave SOME indication of where they're headed as a company.

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Rob, the point of the matter is Ninco don't want anyone to know what they are producing next. Which is cobblers. How do they expect the buying public to know what is coming if they don't publicise their future releases either via their own website or by telling their distributors/dealers especially with so many manufacturers producing such a wide range of cars, customers will no doubt want to budget for certain releases throughout the year. If we don't get a Ninco schedule then they won't get the sales.
Most other manufacturers (Scalextric, SCX, Carrera) release a schedule for the year which apart from production or licensing problems are usually fulfilled. Notice i didn't list Fly as most of their schedules are for the next millenium!
I'm looking forward to the Nurenberg Toy show, i think the Ninco stand will look a bit silly if they don't have a selection of new models or prototypes. Still they could fill it with British, French, Portugese, Finish, Dutch, Italian, Noweigan etc etc etc VW Police Golfs.
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lol, probably will knowing them!

I make a list at the beginning of the year as to what I would like, then ninco release something out the blue and it's oh sh1t I need some more vouchers for Sean's.. hmm now, what can I sell/do/think of to get such a thing

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What's perhaps MOST worrying... Is the fact that this topic was started by the UK's (Probably - in a heineken stylee!) leading slot car retailer, and if he doesn't know where Ninco are at, what chance have the rest of us?

Bloomin police cars, faffy little super 1600 rally cars, incorrect McLaren repaints... <mutter, mutter...>



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Ninco has got more license problems than any other company I think.

If they got the exclusivity for the McLaren F1 GTR, they went as far as PRODUCING cars (Minardis and Arrows) they were later not allowed to sell.

They recently had serious problems with the DTM Astra as well.

So, though I regret their behaviour, I understand it as well. They want to avoid being copied and being beaten on the clock by another manufacturer.

For those complaining about the lack of "must have", it implies they are neither interested in rallys (Ninco did many Super 1600's) nor in new categories (Rallyraid and Champ cars).

One of the main problem is the lack of new GT cars (I mean in real life). Can you mention some ? There are the Ferrari's of course but the manufacturers are limited by the license issue. The Lambo has been announced by Carrera but it has done only the training for one race. There is the Mosler but it has already been announced by Cartrix and I'm not sure if it will appeal to everyone ...

Regarding sport cars, nobody has announced the Bentley so far ... Scalextric and Carrera will do without it, so that leaves SCX or Ninco (Too few liveries for FLY).

That could be your "must have" ...
 

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Hi Fast Lucky,

If we limit ourselves to new or present day cars, there could be a problem, if we look back on over a century of motor car production, I think there's more than enough prototypes to be having a go at.

Let's think of ONE car that, if they did a relivery a week, they'd be well into the millennium before they'd finished - a Mk2 Ford Escort rally car.... A car still in widespread competition use today, 29 years after its' introduction.

If we're mentioning Bentley's, I wouldn't mind a 1/32 scale blower Bentley from their first run of LeMans success, though I'll freely admit to a hankering for an '03 Bentley LeMans car too


There's a couple, or three of examples


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Ninco secrecy does not do them any good especially as their recent releases have not been breathe taking. Last year I purchased their xk 120 which is an excellent car but no other new Ninco. If they had a history of producing really must have cars then here secrecy might pay dividends as we'd all being trying to guess what they will produce and so create a lathering frenzy of anticipation - a marketing dream. They don't so we don't hype them up - shame. Maybe the Spanish market is all they aspire to?

I'm just glad I'm not a ninco sales rep.

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All valid points, Sean. I guess that Ninco don't want a repeat of the situation when Scalextric copied them with the 'new' Mini...


I do like their Porsche 911 GT3, though!


Picture courtesy of Slot Bazar.

It is a pity that Ninco do seem to be a bit slower off the mark these days, since they were (and possibly still are) the most innovative of the manufacturers. Although none of it is really new, Ninco have given the great unwashed masses electronic hand controllers, anglewinder chassis, 4-wheel drive, suspension, steering front wheels, etc. They also have a nice variety of track, electrical accessories and tools.

When Ninco came onto the scene a brief 10 years ago, the quality of their products practically put Scalextric out of business. I don't think that its an exaggeration to say that Ninco were probably responsible for upping the ante in terms of beautifully detailed scale model cars, the result of which spawned Fly and got both Scalextric and Technitoys to get their act together.

Ninco do, I think, have -- please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Sean -- the most extensive range of spare parts available. Are they the only manufacturer that has bodies available separately?
 

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QUOTE Ninco do, I think, have -- please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Sean -- the most extensive range of spare parts available. Are they the only manufacturer that has bodies available separately?
Ninco do have an extensive range of spares (we keep every Ninco spare), unfortunately there are a couple of ommisions Porsche 356 & Cobra Wheel hubs, when i asked them the reason for this i was told because 'there are more than one part to make up a unit'. True but B***ocks.
Spare bodies are not available as spare parts, although as many of our customers know we do strip some cars and sell bodies individually.

Personally i think Ninco have strayed from the path of making cars for racers to cars to suit the toy market, hence Clio's, Pajero's and Police cars. Much of the range is also heavily influenced by the Spanish rally scene, hence lots of Super 1600 Punto's & Saxo's.

I think many of the problems they have encountered in the past with licensing problems with the Mclaren (Harrods), Arrows, Astras would have been avoided with a more open policy about future releases. Scalextric have just prooved this point with the announcement and subsequent withdrawl of the Audi A4's.
Ninco is still a great product with a good following, however some of the good work which was put into the early years of production is being lost. I hope they proove me wrong and go to Nurenberg with a great line up of new releases.
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QUOTE Ninco do have an extensive range of spares

I'll say.... over on the Slot Bazar Ninco pages they have 300 products listed, with pictures of all of them!

They also list these Ninco bodies:

Carrozzeria AC Cobra N-79027
Carrozzeria Audi A4 N-79011
Carrozzeria BMW V12 N-79024
Carrozzeria BMW V12 LM N-79029
Carrozzeria Callaway N-79028
Carrozzeria Ferrari 166 MM N-79005
Carrozzeria Ferrari F250 Testa Rossa N-79022
Carrozzeria Ferrari F310B N-79013
Carrozzeria Golf N-79032
Carrozzeria Jaguar XK-120 N-79023
Carrozzeria Mercedes CLK DTM N-79030
Carrozzeria Peugeot 306 N-79006
Carrozzeria Porsche Gt1 N-79012
Carrozzeria Porsche Gt3 N-79019
Carrozzeria Renault Megane N-79010
Carrozzeria Seat Cordoba N-79017
Carrozzeria Toyota Corolla N-79016

QUOTE we keep every Ninco spare

I believe it! In fact, you probably keep every spare of every slot car product ever produced!

I don't think that there has ever been something that I've ordered from Pendle Slot Racing that you haven't been able to supply!


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Last year I have bought many cars of their Classic line : they are so beautiful!
I hope Ninco will produce many others in the future ( there is a neverending list of 50' and 60' cars), with Nc1 and no mag, also if this choice is oriented to slot experts. I have also the Renault Clio with suspension : but we really need suspensions in slot cars?
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I suppose this thread is down to exasperation - like with a wayward child


I'll back up what Russell said earlier, for me it wasn't FLY that raised the game and made everyone take notice, but Ninco. I well remember going into a local model shop in the middle '90s I s'pose and seeing their Alfa 155V6Ti DTM car and thinking... Surely that's not a slot car?! so I bought it on the spot


Stepping up to the present day and that 'WOW!!' factor impetus seems to have gone. Yes, people will point to the Pajeros (which are a giggle to race!) but I will point back further to the TT SCX Nissan Patrols, which died a death thru' lack of sales. I can't see the Pajeros being anything different. People will point to the classic range... Most of which dates back to the dawn of Ninco with just repaints and minor changes to freshen them up (apart from the Cobra.. which has been covered by numerous others to as good as, or better effect). Single seater racing in the states seems desperate to commit suicide... so Ninco make models of the cars that few people seem bothered to go and watch LIVE! (NASCAR, TransAM, and ALMS are far better supported...)

C'mon Ninco get back to what you're good at - stonkin' racing cars which last the distance


-Rob

ps another car suggestion - SEAT 2003 ETCC car... Spanish team with Europe-wide satellite broadcast coverage on Eurosport during the LG Super Racing Weekend.

pps Picking up the TransAM theme, the 2002/3 XKR Jags are drop dead gorgeous (I know TopSlot do them.. but by necessity they are limited by people's skills and the availability of the kits too.)
 

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Interesting thread.

Got to confess hardly purchased a Ninco car since 1998 - the introduction of magnets across the range, spoilt the cars IMHO.

There are exceptions, I wouldn't mind a BMW M3 as they seem to get excellent reviews. Also I kindly had the opportunity to drive the Slik's new NC5 McLaren last night, the performance is excellent and with the uprated motor; the car still retains some of the positive handling traits of its forebear - really enjoyed running the car, so I would add that car to the list too.

Possibly one Punto (drove a Punto for a time hence the choice
), possibly the Green Jaguar and a Raid.

Not many cars considering a 5 year gap?

I personally feel that Ninco are quite expensive, it's a hard one to explain though. What with Fly on the market, because it sort of counteracts that argument rather easily.

At the end of the day, confident Ninco will bounce back. But the trouble is, with Ninco's current marketing strategy that day seems to be getting further and further away.

Jamie.

P.S. May not be a massive fan of Ninco at the moment, but the same can't be said for the track - methinks it's excellent.
 

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Ok, seriously interesting topic here.
I think Ninco have a great product, it's their then innovative track system that probably really got them going ten years ago. No need to change a good thing.
I think the cars are very well priced for the level of perfomance they offer along with the different approach. I mean lets face it they still use button magnets yet their cars are probably far better and easier to drive than alot of cars with the bar magnets. Here in Australia at a retail level they are about 5 - 10 dollars more than a scalextric car.
Cars like the Pajeros and the Pro Race Subie will hold their own and probably create a new market for themselves.
 
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