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Having read the many quotes from people who seem to follow the following process:

1) Buy a new car
2) Get it home. Change the tyres to another manufaturers
3) open the car, change the engine, axel, gears etc
4) Run the said car

I thought I would ask when does your Scaley xx car stop being that car? Is it still a scaley car when only the chasis and shell still the original and evrything else has been changed?
 

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QUOTE (phipster @ 28 Apr 2004, 22:18)I thought I would ask when does your Scaley xx car stop being that car? Is it still a scaley car when only the chasis and shell still the original and evrything else has been changed?

I would say that as long as the car has the original bodyshell, then you can class it as that particular manufacturer's car. After all, a scaley Porsche GT1 bodyshell looks slightly different to a FLY Porsche GT1 bodyshell, and look at all the different Subaru Imprezas.....


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I think the floor pan would have to be included as well as the body shell, but you probably took that for granted. anyway!
(I hesitate to honour the average bit of nasty plastic with the title of chassis!)
 

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For me the car ceases to be a car when it earns money. Then it becomes my wife!
To each, his own enjoyment of the hobby, I say, so long as it makes one smile
and doesn't cause a murder!


Cheers!
 

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I'd say it stops being a whatever as soon as you change anything other than the colour for parts not originally intended for it by the same maker with the possible exception of the tyres and guide, although for racing I'd say you should prescribe what can and cannot be changed even there.

So, a Ninco DTM isn't once you fit a SCX RX motor - It's a Ninco DTM with SCX motor. Or, indeed a Pink Kar 250 GTO fitted with a RX. Calling it anything else is deception.

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I always thought that a car to be unmodified can only have pieces exchanged with other pieces that are the same as the ones that came with the car... e.g. if they are not the same model, sort, size etc as the original part then the car has in my mind been modified. This does not mean that it would be unacceptable to use other parts - but it does mean that parts not originally being part of the vehicle should be described as modifications. That is what I thought anyway. This is quite normal even for roadcars etc - If you change engine or gearbox to a different model than the one that came with the car originally the car is usually described as modified in my mind anyway..

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Although you fellows are absolutely right about modifications, I suspect Phipster really meant, when should it stop being thought of as (say) "A Scalextric car with xxx modifications" or actually needs to be described as (say) "A hybrid", without reference to the original car at all. I think use of a manufacturer's body (and floor pan) tends to retain that manufacturers name as the 'base'description, as suggested previously.
 

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Hmm, so you're saying my car isn't a car anymore? The first thing I did with my car was change to larger brakes which meant larger wheels and tires. Then I changed the suspension, modified the chassis, modified the transmission, modified the engine (including cooling, oiling and fuel system) and I still need to reprogram the computer and slap on the supercharger.

Hey, it still looks like a car, it must be a car.

Huh? Slot cars? Oh


I think this is a pretty commonly covered subject. This is how it broke down locally...

If the car is straight out of the package it's stock.
If the car has trued tires, aftermarket tires, motor change, removal/lightening of ANY parts or any other change including shimming axles etc. it's modified.
If I own it, it's outlawed


As long as you adhere strictly to the definitions there usually aren't any problems. That's where your individual tracks rules come into play. Where I am if the car is bone stock but everything is tweaked (blueprinted) it is modified stock. Most tracks take tire changes as a given since every track surface is a little different. I'm pretty lenient on what constitutes a car. If it looks like the car it was supposed to model then it's still a car.

Here's something to think about. Paintings such as the Mona Lisa get "touched up" or "reconditioned" every so often. It's to the point that the original painting cannot be seen without an x-ray. So is the Mona Lisa still a painting by Leonardo da Vinci or is it something else now?
 

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Hmmmmm......

So I started with an old Scaley Porsche 956. I replaced the motor, wheels, tires, axles, and gears. After a while, I went to a scratchbuilt chassis. Then, of course, I put on a lexan 956 body.

So.... you don't think I can call it a Scaley 956 now?


Bummer.... gonna have to modify my entry form for the next race...


C'mon guys, it's the car it was until your mods exceed your local preparation rules. At that point it becomes a modified car and you can't realistically call it by its original name. Doesn't matter what it started as, or what it has become, as long as it meets your local rules. No disrespect to anyone, but I don't think this warrants a thread this long.
 

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oh come on Fergy - you know you enjoy it...

//peter
 

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Aw, geez, Peter, you caught me.... and now I'm making the thread even longer! Some day I'm gonna buy a life on eBay and won't have to do this!
 
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