[moped rider]

Our Spanish friend has stated that 99% of club racing in Spain in raced with cars that have magnets removed. Rally car racing is very popular in Spain by all accounts and so this may have something to do with this very high percentage. I have yet to visit any club in Britain that caters for rally cars or has a circuit purpose built for rallying. The closest I have seen is Matt Tuckers time trial circuit at the Phoenis GT day.

Time and time again members at Slotforum say cars should run properly without magnets and that racing with magnets is for beginners as the magnets act as an aid like stabalisers on a bicycle.

What is wrong with racing with magnets?

What is wrong with manufacturers building cars that have magnets as an aid?

Basically I cannot see anything wrong with either so why continue to condemn those folk who enjoy racing with magnets, or those manufacturers who design to a standard with a magnet fitted. If a magnet makes manufacturers lazy then so what!

If the car runs OK out of the box with the magnet then surely that is what it is all about at the end of the day.

If anything a magnet acts as model downforce which adds realism to the handling of a car.

If folk choose to remove the magnet then surely those same folk cannot condemn the manufacturer for making cars that subsequently wobble and require work (in their opinion). It seems a very silly thing to do when you think about!

Ultimately cars have had magnets for many years and wobbling wheels. Nothing here has changed. Yet the hobby has grown over this time.

What has caused this growth?

Certainly not improved mechanicals as these are constantly condemned by those who know best.

Maybe its the detail and the better looking cars?

Improved mechanicals do not appear to have grown the hobby but better looking cars have. And strangely during this period of growth magnets have got stronger.

And through all this time we have heard the cries of "manufacturers should build cars with a decent chassis".

Bunkum!

Moped

 

[James - Junior Racer]

Does it really matter?!

hehe

Everyone is entitled to their views, I like that. Some people's views differ from others.

Seems quite a lot are against magnets, doesn't mean you have to stop using them.

Regards,
James

 

[mac p]

NO COMMEMT mac p

 

[Fergy]

Mope, how can you mention rally cars and magnets in the same post!?

Rally cars do NOT exploit downforce to any extreme degree yet you seem to want the slot version to be glued down with magnets!

Magnets are cool.... non-mag is cool.... but why try to infuse your fixation on magnets into every post?

Once again.... you are blowing smoke out the wrong orifice!

 

[speedyweenie]

Just itching for an argument today Mope? Can't get a rise out of the club racing thread so you need to dredge up the old magnet debate? This has been discussed SO MANY times before that if you honestly don't understand the difference between magnet and non-magnet racing, I can only shake my head. Provocation for kicks is pretty pathetic.

mp

 

[jonny s]

It`s been said by the above. Do what you enjoy . . .end of

 

[moped rider]

I am not dragging up the magnet debate.

And I only mention rally cars as an explanation for the high percentage of racing in Spain that runs without magnets. I do understand why you would not want a magnet in a rally car although of course on a tarmac stage then you might.

It is dragged up everytime somebody says manufactures should build cars that run without magnets and so others stand accused of sponsoring this thread.

The magnet debate will end as soon as folk stop making this pie in the sky request.

Even Slot.It cars need work doing to get the cars to run as these fusspots demand!

Get practical people. Magnets are here to stay and will always form part of the total handling specification offered by the mass manufacturers.

As already stated, if you choose to remove the magnet then you cannot at the same time condemn the manufacturer for running gear that does not meet with your approval.

Purchase a car without a magnet and then of course you have every right to condemn the manufacturer if the car runs pants. But these cars cost more don't they?

Moped

 

[Tropi]

QUOTE we have heard the cries of "manufacturers should build cars with a decent chassis".
Bunkum!
Which translates to actually saying he positively does not want a car with a decent chassis!
A new pinnacle of perverse perspicacity!

Moped is a toy manufacturers favourite dream . . .
and the genuine slot racer's worst nightmare.

As for
QUOTE I am not dragging up the magnet debate.
This is so utterly, blatantly, ***ing contradictory that it isn't worth responding to further.

 

[bump]

Tropi, give Moped a break. He's clearly having an off-day. He had a perfect opportunity to work in yet another Scalextric reference and he missed it completely.

Which one?

This one:
QUOTE the magnets act as an aid like stabalisers on a bicycle

Surely he meant MotoGP ???

You're a harsh critic Tropi

, you need a trip to a foreign, tropical climate. Did you ever get to Singapore?

Cheers
bump

 

[Dennis David]

What if a manufacturer designed pockets in the chassis and included weights AND a magnet to give the newbie an option? Nah it makes too much sense.

 

[darainbow]

I raced with a club last year and we had a magnet class and a no magnet class.

The non-magnet cars were much closer in abilty and scores were much closer.

The magnet cars are more scale realistic and more fun to drive (IMHO). On my carrera track, the high magnet cars with slicks are the best. Quick but still drift. Mega magnets and stronger engines and you can go as fast as you want to go. M

I think the problem with racing magnet cars is getting them similar in performance. Small differnces in chassis height effect performance.

 

[DAVENIC]

Who gives a rat's?

moped rider, I think you should spend more time working on your cars instead of
bringing up mag v non mag arguements.

Clogging up cyber space with this junk is a shame.

 

[slot-breizh]

I run without magnet because cars have a better realistic handling.
And, according to me, tuning my cars is part of the fun, (as in true races.)
Moreover I stopped using magnets since I broke so many wings, so many wheels and etc, as the cars deslotted ...
I don't want to waste 50€ in 5 minutes any more.

Jean-marc.

http://monsite.wanadoo.fr/rsc/

 

[McLaren]

speedyweenie covered my thoughts exactly here.

But to explain to you (calmly) my thoughts on the differences between magnet and non-magnet racing, here goes...

It is easier for a newbie to drive a magnet car to a decent time than it is for a newbie to drive a non-magnet car to a decent time. Before you all start huffing, let me explain. Get the fastest driver at your club to do his best with an out-of-the-box Slot.It Audi R8C. Remove the magnet and get him to set his fastest time. Obviously the non-magnet time will be slower. Now take a newbie and get him to do his best with the same car with and without magnet. Now compare the times between the pro and the newbie.

Fact: The gap will be significantly larger between the two non-magnet times than between the two magnet times.

BTW. I chose the Audi R8C because it runs competitivly out-of-the-box in both magnet and non-magnet classes. The tests should be done on a reasonably sized club track, which is not to difficult to learn.

McLaren

PS. Moped: Oh, and why don't you just shut the fvck up?

 

[moped rider]

I don't see how this answers the question which is why do mainly club slot car racers keep saying that manufacturers should improve their chassis.

To repeat, the cars run acceptably with magnets as designed. If a slot car racer wishes to remove the magnet and then chooses to race without this magnet, then the racer starts to look foolish when requesting that manufacturers should work on the chassis to make it run better without magnets.

If the manufacturers did this then the racer would not have to do any work to the cars and much of the enjoyment of working on the cars for some racers would be lost.

I am not saying that one form of racing is better or more enjoyable than another.

I am simply requesting that experianced players at Slotforum should get real as I for one do not want to spend extra money on cars that run perfectly well with magnets because a very small and vocal minority at Slotforum want cars that run as they want them to without magnets.

Considering that the Spanish (the worlds largest slot car market) run 99% of their club races without magnets if improvements could be made do you not think they would have been made by now!

If I want to spend extra money on a chassis upgrade then I would prefer that to be an option rather than a compulsion. The Fly racer at £40 or the Slot.It cars at £30-£35 surely satisfies those who require a perfect chassis at the expense of other qualities that for me take a higher priority.

So please leave the poor old manufacturer and his magnets alone. He is doing a good job broadly speaking.

Moped

 

[McLaren]

Slot.It cars run perfectly out of the box for under £30.

Scalextric cars do not.

Why can't you see that it's not acceptable to charge the same price for something which is of signifacntly lesser quality?

I can see what you are saying about the cars meeting the design goal of the manufacturers in the fact that they run ok with magnets, but what we are asking for is cars which do not come with magnets, and handle satisfactorily (is that a word?).

Do you understand now?

McLaren

 

[moped rider]

Fly charge £40, yet they have an army of fans.

Why do Scalextric have to make these cars? I did not mention Scalextric?

Moped

 

[McLaren]

Fly cars are detailed beyond diecast standard these days, and they go alright with a magnet too.

Scalextric cars go ok with a magnet, but not as well as Fly cars.

And Scalextric have to make these cars, because (to my knowledge) they are the only cars which I don't think are acceptable to race out-of-the-box, without a magnet. Simple.

I have raced standard Ninco, SCX, Fly, Slot.It, Sprit and Proslot all out-of-the-box and still done well. I have never managed that with a Scalextric car in the last 5 years. That's why Scalextric need to up their game, not everyone else.

McLaren

 

[Intergrali]

can we just get one thing clear here..

Scalextric are toys they are aimed at kids - they want them to stay on the track they couldnt give a ****e about wether it has this that or another

However Fly and slot it and ninco and everybody but scx aim at club racing

So with this in mind I couldnt care less about how scalex run without mag because they aint supposed to, it is not a manufacturing requirement.

However for ninco and slot it and everyone else they have pushed there product into the public by stating that learners should use magnut, and more experienced drivers should use none.

yawn i'm bored - again

 

[slot-breizh]

100% right, mc Laren.

Hope Mr Jeffrey reads this Topic.

Jean-marc.