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Why are magnets viewed so negatively?

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Our Spanish friend has stated that 99% of club racing in Spain in raced with cars that have magnets removed. Rally car racing is very popular in Spain by all accounts and so this may have something to do with this very high percentage. I have yet to visit any club in Britain that caters for rally cars or has a circuit purpose built for rallying. The closest I have seen is Matt Tuckers time trial circuit at the Phoenis GT day.

Time and time again members at Slotforum say cars should run properly without magnets and that racing with magnets is for beginners as the magnets act as an aid like stabalisers on a bicycle.

What is wrong with racing with magnets?

What is wrong with manufacturers building cars that have magnets as an aid?

Basically I cannot see anything wrong with either so why continue to condemn those folk who enjoy racing with magnets, or those manufacturers who design to a standard with a magnet fitted. If a magnet makes manufacturers lazy then so what!

If the car runs OK out of the box with the magnet then surely that is what it is all about at the end of the day.

If anything a magnet acts as model downforce which adds realism to the handling of a car.

If folk choose to remove the magnet then surely those same folk cannot condemn the manufacturer for making cars that subsequently wobble and require work (in their opinion). It seems a very silly thing to do when you think about!

Ultimately cars have had magnets for many years and wobbling wheels. Nothing here has changed. Yet the hobby has grown over this time.

What has caused this growth?

Certainly not improved mechanicals as these are constantly condemned by those who know best.

Maybe its the detail and the better looking cars?

Improved mechanicals do not appear to have grown the hobby but better looking cars have. And strangely during this period of growth magnets have got stronger.

And through all this time we have heard the cries of "manufacturers should build cars with a decent chassis".


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QUOTE A new pinnacle of perverse perspicacity!

Sorry Tropi, but excuse me !!!
Considering the originator, were you expecting the demonstration of Fermat's Last Theorem ?

Fact is, in this world of unnerving change and so few certainties, we can depend on Moped to produce - day in, day out - stuff of constant, dependable quality.
I think we should be appreciative

(OK, a few months ago he did post something that actually made sense, but I think this can be forgiven as a statistical aberration)

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I agree with Moped. Overwhemingly, the market is a kid and his dad with a basic set that goes up a few times in the front room. Magnets make for CHEAP cars.

We are not the market.

Now, I have a vested interest in this. I am a poor driver. But I WIN a lot. I don't win by driving that STOCK car, I win by showing up with a STOCK APPEARING car that has had all its production problems fixed.

Looks the same, times are similar. But in a race, no "mystery' crashes. I WIN. My car is as good at the end as at the beginning.

This ONLY works for me as long as the manufacturers sell stuff that comes flawed.

So, Thank YOU Moped. Please tell Scaley when you are there, I LIKE the problems. I like'em cheap but flawed.

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Funny, I was thinking the same thing earlier only that I'm more into finding the perfect set up rather than sorting out defects. So if the chassis had potential it'd be great because tuners could work on it and make it better, rather than have something so fundimentally bad, that it has to be sent to Fate to sort out!

So Scalextric: don't go overboard, just make them a bit better... drivable, I mean. Just not too good...


EDIT: QUOTE I agree with Moped.
I'm telling! You know we're not meant to say that...
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Had an enquiry from a potential new member of my local club the other week - he wanted to know if it was ok to race with magnets as he wasn't interested in a club which banned them.

He was most pleased when I told him that there was no restriction and he could put 6 of the things in his car if he wished.

Took him a couple of laps to realise that magnets don't work on a wooden/copper tape track!

So I guess he doesn't race there any more?

That's pretty sad...

it's been done before it'll be done again, but it's always as funny as the last
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QUOTE Why are magnets viewed so negatively?, Why?

Depends on which end of the magnet you are looking at, no?

Ken R
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QUOTE (McLaren @ 24 Aug 2004, 16:59)So I guess he doesn't race there any more?

That's pretty sad...


After the initial shock he really enjoyed himself and is becoming a regular participant.

In fact most new members only have experience of magnets and plexytrack but very few want to return to it after sampling a "proper" track.

QUOTE "I don't see how this answers the question which is why do mainly club slot car racers keep saying that manufacturers should improve their chassis."
That isn't the "question" you asked Mop.

The "questions" you initially posed were
QUOTE What is wrong with racing with magnets?
What is wrong with manufacturers building cars that have magnets as an aid?

I enclose "questions" in quotes as they are not so much genuine questions, seeking answers as a deliberate provocation to disagreement, going so far as to put words into the anticipated opposition mouths when there actually was no opposition - until you decided to reopen the age old argument for the umpteenth time and create opposition for the sake of it.

Then, when you repost, you ask a quite different "question", one that with your vast experience, you really ought to be able to answer yourself, and actually could very easily as the answer to it is so glaringly obvious. Let's face it; you are really just creating argument for the sake of it, not in pursuit of truth and knowledge or even the healthy exchange of differing ideas. It's a bit boring after the zillionth repeat, as is over use of the word "negative" always used to put down anything and anyone that is personally disagreed with.

It would be absolutely understandable if a newcomer asked these question, as we would assume he genuinely wanted to hear opinions and not simply be looking for trouble.
Are you running out of ideas?
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Why are mags viewed so negatively? Well, IMHO the general public's impression of a race car is something which tends to exit corners with a certain degree of opposite lock, despite that being a "slower" method of cornering. Now, non-mag cars (or ones on a copper track) can exhibit this tailsliding hooliganism of which we are all so fond. I would hazard a guess that most slot jockeys can recover a tail slide (with a bit of practice). However, whilst a mag car can and will tailslide (unless downforce is so high, eh Jim?) it is my opinion that no one can recover that tail slide before the mag-car removes itself from the slot and, indeed the track!
Yes, I've had my Indy car fishtail and not de-slot, but that was blind luck more than skill. Yes, the mag cars possess incredible cornering speeds which can be fun to use, but having the car slide out of a corner, lining up perfectly for the next straight is definitely more of a Zen moment

To sum up this great ramble - being able to hang the arse end of a car out round the bends is FUN!! No matter if the cars are 1:1 or 1:32

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It's all a matter of personal choice.

The cars I like are from the era before ground effects so I like them to slide as Mark has described so well above.

My track is routed witth copper tape so magnets don't work anyway. Fortunately my club (Wellinbugger) also has copper tape.

Each to their own.

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I guess that Mags are to slot cars what traction control is to F1 cars. People either love it or hate it.

(I know - probably not technically correct, but was just something that came to me)
QUOTE (McLaren @ 24 Aug 2004, 20:14)Slot.It cars run perfectly out of the box for under £30.
Scalextric cars do not.

I understand your view point MLaren, and as a club racer i think its a fair argument.

For a different slant though ( variety being the spice of life ) I have to tell you I have found differently at my place. I have roughly 350 cars, some 200 of them being Scalextric. I also have a 4 lane, 16 metre Scaley sport track that gets used every day, and raced on once a week.

My cars DO run great out of the box, and 4 of them together certainly make for good racing.

However, my scaley cars tend to run pretty well too..just as they come, with only a bit of oil and some sandpaper to the tyres.On the track they were designed for.

Tonights racing, as a case in point was scalex GT40,straight out of the box( with Magnet). fastest lap was a little over 4 secs and we had a GREAT series of races much enjoyed by all. Then we ran early F1 ( no mag ) using scalex BRM's and JPS Lotus's ( or Lotii? ) same result.good racing, and great FUN

You in your world, me in mine, and the difference between the two is what makes life interesting, and Slotforum a good place to learn.


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I completely agree with the above. In addition every one of the cars I ever bougfht from each and every manufacturer went better after some basic tuning. Makes sense wether it`s mag or non mag. To finish, any club worth it`s salt appreciates the value of all types of car so the question (statement) is not based on the reality of club racing,in my humble.
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Sorry, I was talking about modern Scalextric cars without magnets... I should really have stated that.

I really like the old Scalextric F1's (Ferrari F1 '87, McLaren MP4-4 and Lola something or other), which never came with magnets. But IMO the new Scaley cars are rubbish without magnets.

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