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What are the most valuable cars?

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#1 ·
I know that what we value varies from person to person, but I'm seeking some sort of consensus from collectors.

What do you presently consider to be the most valuable slotcar?

What do you presently consider to be the top 10 most valuable slotcars?

What do you consider to be the top 5 most valuable slotcar track sets?

If you were going to collect one car from those currently in production, what would it be?

If you were going to collect one track set from those currently in production, what would it be?

Thanks.

Mike
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#3 · (Edited by Moderator)
The most valuable slotcar is the one you value most because of what it means to you personally.
Not just for monetary gain because you built it yourself; you always like it when you were younger
but it took a long time to get at a reasonable price. You came accross it as a bargin. These are just a few of my personal thoughts. It goes with my thoughts on what is your holy grail (in the sense of slotcars). "Finding an old slotcar at reasonable price that might need some TLC"
Regards Allan
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#4 ·
QUOTE (ruhdwulf @ 29 Sep 2005, 18:34)What do you presently consider to be the most valuable slotcar?
What do you presently consider to be the top 10 most valuable slotcars?
What do you consider to be the top 5 most valuable slotcar track sets?
If you were going to collect one car from those currently in production, what would it be?
If you were going to collect one track set from those currently in production, what would it be?
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Okay Mike... What's your motives? Do you want to "play with the toys" or do you want to speculate?

If you want to speculate go play with gold futures.

A few years ago, Peter Eagan, columnist for Road&Track was asked the very same question about E Type Jaguars...

In his article "The Price of Everthing and the Value of Nothing" The caller wasn't aware or interested that there were different versions of XKE's, that they came in coupes, 2+2s and roadsters. That there were different engine displacements or that they were available in 6 cylinder and 12 cylinder versions. He wasn't aware or interested in any history of the car. Basically he just wanted to know "which Jaguar would make him the most money while he owned it."

One shouldn't expect to "make money" with a hobby or a passion... Penske makes his money somewhere other than racing. The quote attributed to him is famous: "You want to know how to make a small fortune racing? ... Start with a large fortune."

Greenman62
 
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QUOTE (TSRF @ 3 Oct 2005, 21:36)I must not be from the same planet because for me, it sure beats a real job.
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Well Dokk ya got me there... But to expand on the quote... One shouldn't expect to "make money" with a hobby or a passion... BUT... it's nice when it happens
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Being able to love what one does is rare enough in this world. Still, I'll bet you had to work really hard and make a very serious committment to your "hobby/ business" to get to where you are today... That's different from buying in and expecting to make a killing. It does our hobby no service. Look what speculation is doing to the old car hobby.

Greenman62
 
#7 ·
Awww - come on guys - answer the question!!
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My humble opinion:

Cox Chappie 2E - the fancy mag or racing version (Dokk can correct me)

Set - must be the James Bond Scalextric set, with possibly the Monogram 1/24th set with the 2 Lotus 38's included...

Come on Dokk - a refute is required....
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#8 · (Edited by Moderator)
QUOTE (greenman62 @ 3 Oct 2005, 15:15)Okay Mike... What's your motives? Do you want to "play with the toys" or do you want to speculate?

My motive is pretty much just to explore the questions. (Why do people assign some vague and sinister motive to these questions?
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You're not the first. One guy said he knew what the most valuable cars were... but he wasn't going to tell. LOL.) Certainly I'm curious about the monetary value, but then, that is how collections are weighed. And I'm interested in what people value... in monetary terms and in other terms... and what interests them.

I originally got interested in this subject because I had a plain white Scalextric Porsche. I originally bought it because it was less expensive than other cars... and I was just re-starting in the hobby. I liked the car, but was not in love with it, if that makes any sense. I think this was because it had no livery and, therefore, seemed a bit characterless to me. (A personal thought and not a general comment on plain white cars.) Then, through Slotforum, I discovered that some people wanted plain white Scalextric Porsches. If I did anything with mine, it would be to paint and livery it. I didn't see it happening anytime in the near future. So, I sold it. For about 2.5 times what I paid for it. Which meant that I could buy two more cars that I found more interesting.

I'm also interested because one member of the club I race with must have upwards of 1,000 slotcars from 1:24 to HO scale. How to comprehend this obsession?

QUOTE If you want to speculate go play with gold futures.

No thanks.
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I got "stock options" during the Dot.Com boom/bust. If you want any Savvis stock that started at $45/share and is now up to about a $1... talk to me.

QUOTE One shouldn't expect to "make money" with a hobby or a passion... Penske makes his money somewhere other than racing. The quote attributed to him is famous: "You want to know how to make a small fortune racing? ... Start with a large fortune."

No, one shouldn't expect to make money. But it's nice to be able to avoid spending quite so much. LOL.

And believe me, I know about the economics of a passion. I have an MFA in poetry from the University of Iowa's Writer's Workshop. The chances in my lifetime of ever recovering even my first year's outlay for books is pretty much zero. My lifetime earnings as a poet are under $250. I still write a lot of poetry though. It's just something that is part of me. I think, for a true collector, this is likely equally true. It's part of who they are.

Mike
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#9 · (Edited by Moderator)
QUOTE I have an MFA in poetry from the University of Iowa's Writer's Workshop.
I sympathize with you, as well as with Goethe and Victor Hugo, all this in Alexandrin verses. And as you pointed out, our modern society is not so poetic when they only give you $250.00 for your talents.

So I am going to respond as best as I can with your questions with real-life numbers, that few here will understand and will find either "outrageous", "unreal", "crazy" or even "insane". So be it, and they can argue the point ad aeternam if they wish.

By FAR the most valuable, commercially-produced slot car ever sold to the public is the 1966-issued Cox Chaparral 2E "Mag" kit version, sealed in its original box. Several public-auction and private sales have brought from $8000.00 to $15000.00, with lots in between. It is not a rare car as an assembled unit, but certainly is one as an unmolested kit in a perfect box.

The HIGHEST valued reported private or public sale of a single slot car item happened in 1998 when a factory prototype of a Cox Ford MKII and the only real kit box known to exist sold for a hefty $19000.00 to a well-known Japanese collector. However, several 6-figure collections are known to have been purchased privately. HO cars, especially the Aurora T-Jets have of course been the subject of crazy and frantic bidding for "rare" items that is until the Internet allowed so much hidden stuff to come out and promptly depress values. So a plateau has been reached there, and stability has now been established.

Virtually ALL the most expensive slot car items are of either American or Japanese origin, several Tamiya mint kits having sold as high as $5000.00 (Dodge Charger) while several other K&B "Series 2" and Cox "Team Modified" kits fetched over $4000.00.

The most expensive Euro item is certainly the original Bugatti type 59, with a private reported sale of $4300.00, which is the highest number I was able to find so far. Phil Smith might shed the most recent light on this.

That was for actual monetary value.

As far as "collectible value", it is of course left to the individual to pick and chose what he likes. In these pages, most lurkers like much less expensive items manufactured relatively recently by companies such as FLY, Ninco, Scalextric... citing that "rare limited edition this-and-that". From the decline in general value of such items from the highs of a few years ago to today's rather depressed pricing, I would say that it is better to like these items for what they are and enjoy them rather than collecting them as an investment, but an accumulation of such may be profitable at the end if bought properly. Some cars will bring only 10-20% or their original retail value 4-5 years after issued, while others will bring twice or 3 times as much. Beyond that, it is frankly doubtful that they will ever reach the highs of the "golden era" of the 1960's items.

The economic circumstances of each collector are also important: disposable income for all is not the same... so MOST are setting their sights on what they can afford, but also MOST have little clue of what's out there in which they could invest and really come out better than plonking money on dead-end savings account in the local bank. Collecting wisely also requires the most sophisticated education on the subject at hand.

A good example of wise and enjoyable investment are Dinky Toys collectors who purchased pre-1970 models in the late 1970's to mid 1980's and stashed them away until today. Because of the inherent poetic quality (poetic personality reflecting their creators is the most wonderful attribute of antique toys) of such toys, they are now sitting on financial appreciation going from 100 to several THOUSANDS percent, competing directly with original Microsoft shares. The same is hardly ever going to apply to Scalextric toys at the exception of very few notable examples such as the Bugatti. Some will argue that the Pink Kar Bugatti is "the same for thirty quids", I am sorry for them if they think that way, and I think that it shows a very narrow frame of mind. However, one being free to think whatever one wants, I wish them all to have a nice day anyway.

Another growing form of valuable slot car items are cars hand built for serious so-called "professional" racing in the late 1960's to the early 1970's and documented as such. A few years ago, these items were absolutely worthless. Now their value has soared to serious levels due in much part to exposure by knowledgeable historians and the re-discovery and restoration of such stars of the past. Moreover, modern replicas of such are now being built by enthusiasts of the younger generation, showing the true poetic (here we go again with the P word), worth of such hand built artistry.

Now the price of PARTS for re-creating such cars is going through the roof. Are these people crazy, or what? As far as I can see ahead, I would say that if there are some nutcases out there, I also see lots of folks who are smarter than their bankers.

I hope that this addresses your questions.

Philippe de Lespinay
 
#13 ·
I have been a little remiss in checking posts in the last week or so -darn work, and so missed your reply !!

Superb reply Dokk - as I expected......

I have always found that your laconic sense of humour and righteousness always brings a smile to my face when reading your sometimes 'outrageous' reposts........

Rock on dokk, rock on.......
 
#14 ·
QUOTE I have always found that your laconic sense of humour and righteousness always brings a smile to my face when reading your sometimes 'outrageous' reposts........
You are very kind. Some here would rather think of me as decapitated by the local Al Qaeda social club.
My rocking is better done with Claude Debussy's racket in the CD player. I have no use for noise makers.
Regards,

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"Another growing form of valuable slot car items are cars hand built for serious so-called "professional" racing in the late 1960's to the early 1970's and documented as such. A few years ago, these items were absolutely worthless. Now their value has soared to serious levels due in much part to exposure by knowledgeable historians and the re-discovery and restoration of such stars of the past. Moreover, modern replicas of such are now being built by enthusiasts of the younger generation, showing the true poetic (here we go again with the P word), worth of such hand built artistry."

I have only one word to say about the above quote, Good as these and the other early scratch built cars both rail and slot are where the emotional values are for me.
How do you put a value on a chassis that won one of the 1956 Southport rail races or other historic cars of simular importance?

Jeff.
 
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QUOTE How do you put a value on a chassis that won one of the 1956 Southport rail races or other historic cars of simular importance?
That's my job, man...
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Actually the value is quickly established once a specific item is presented and explained to the public of enthusiasts. Then auction fever establishes the monetary value following the rules of physical attraction VS available cash. Sad, but the same goes for all works of art: after the fever, a level is reached, and that is the value of the item plus whatever passing time changes.
 
#17 ·
A couple things here. First and foremast TSRF get Vintage Slot Cars reprinted already. I'm tired of looking all over hell's half acre for a copy. I have to have it.
I've recently started buying Strombecker and Eldon cars and track. It's amazing how much more fun they are for youngsters. The cars do this weird thing a like to call "staying on the track." Very little worry about my 6 year old getting upset because his car is too hard for him to control.
I'm growing tired of the garbage made today. For anyone with young kids these cars are garbage. If the kids are around you can't play with the expensives cars. So they sit. Or you let the kids at them, they go off the track at full speed, and get broken. In either case that makes garbage in my mind. No matter how pretty it WAS when you bought it. I guess I'm in the same frame of mind as Robert Scheicher on this subject. Well, kind of.
I have three friends who will not buy slot car sets for just this reason. It's good for me because I have three friends who need a place to play with slot cars. Makes for a small supply of competitors. The down side is it's always my track (same old course). I do have a few of their cars here though.
Worse yet one will never buy a track. By the time his son got old enough to control the cars it wasn't cool any longer. The father just isn't interested in the investment now that his son won't play with it .
Ok I think I covered the why of my recent semi-conversion to vintage slots. Now I have a question about the old cars. What are the rarest colors used by the major manufacturers? I see people get excited about Orange this and grey that but I don't know why.
If you actually stomached my diatribe and are now going to give me an answer thank you for your time.
 
#21 ·
More Kudos than Kicks tho Philippe!

To get back to the point above, two easy solutions: 1) get some of the cheapo Artin or SCX cars; 2) buy a variable power supply and turn down the voltage. Presto! Happy 6 year olds! Happy dads! happy Campers!

The color-crazy collectors are mostly for Scalextric cars, or Aurora HO cars - don't think this would apply to Eldon or Strombecker! Eldon did make a crazy purple Chaparral tho.... must be worth at least 2 bucks!

If you want to see color variations, check out the latest Gillham book on Scalextric.

I'm kind of color blind myself (at least according to my wife, re my taste in clothing), so can't help any more than that - and I refuse to pay extra for a color!

Bring back B&W!

Don
 
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QUOTE The color-crazy collectors are mostly for Scalextric cars, or Aurora HO cars - don't think this would apply to Eldon or Strombecker! Eldon did make a crazy purple Chaparral tho.... must be worth at least 2 bucks!
Don, I must admit that I am a color-crazy person...
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