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Talbot Ligier JS17. Another new resin model.

3.7K views 14 replies 10 participants last post by  Quatrozero  
#1 ·
Think I will dub this one the ‘pocket money’ version.

Now available by contacting ‘DNQ’ on this forum.

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Ligier JS17 – late season shell with Policar compatible 3d printed chassis.

Styrene cut optional elements for side pod profile and wing endplates as well as rear wing mount frame.

Mirror chrome self adhesive sheet included for the adventurous amongst any potential builder.

Decals are available from Kevin Oz to produce the Austrian GP winning version. These decals will also allow a builder to do any versions of the cars that ran from Imola to Las Vegas with minimal additional work.

Image


I have always wanted a slot car of the Ligier JS17 from 1981, or to be precise, the end of season version of the car. This is the car that won at the 1981 Austrian and Canadian GPs and made a title challenger of Jacques Laffitte up to the final race. There is the model produced and built to such an amazing standard by Kostas Djingovic of Golden Era Slot cars. My opening line is in no way meant as a dig or criticism of his products. I was seriously tempted to buy one but it was not the version I wanted. They are too beautiful as RTRs to start hacking about to have the version I wanted.

Image


I set about cutting and butting styrene and came up with something that I thought was pretty decent and sent it off to Simon ‘DNQ’ Brereton to check its viability for casting.

Simon is amazing in that he checked over this ‘master’ and found I was half a mil off here and there and not quite symmetrical in some aspects of the profile. I did consider starting again.

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Then something of a step change on the production of these F1 car shells happened whereby Simon, who was now well into his stride with CAD designed models, sent me images of the model drawn up in CAD. His process is now to 3D print a master from his renders and then cast from that. Of late you will have probably seen how prolific he has become with the announcement of his 1978 Theodore TR1 and 1978 ATS HS1 resin shells and 3d printed chassis.

Image


This Ligier has the need for an 87mm wheelbase. Simon then produced a bespoke chassis for this model just like the ATS and Theodore. Don’t tell him but two of these chassis have already since found their way under two other shells I was building/adjusting. It has the guide pivot point just ahead of the front axle and is quite long for a F1 slot car wheelbase, but it does handle smoothly and predictably.

Image


Before I knew it I had a couple of shells and got on with designing the decals for a prototype build which I think was the hardest part of this car’s modelling process, although Simon might disagree! LOL. This build was going nicely until I sprayed on the clear coat and then the decal paper decided to bubble and bump and blemish like nothing I had experienced before using the same product on other models. There was some corrective work done and whilst not the best finish to a model, it is completed to a standard that is acceptable for posting on here.

Image


And whilst I may have been the initiator of something Simon may not have considered for his inventory of excellent resin shells, I will not claim it in any way as my work. He picked it up and ran with it for which I am so very grateful. My input is to simply present the possibilities of building one of four versions of the car with the elements supplied.

I have included build notes on this prototype of the model not to clog up this one post. I will be talking this model, lumps and bumps and all, to the UK slot festival’s Policar GP event if anyone wants to come and have a poke around it.

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And I am not suggesting you come over just because one of my models is there. There will be plenty of other models there, including other ‘DNQ’ and ‘Conti Rowland’ produced models and hopefully the new Williams FW08E as well as a couple of surprises. Anyone with an interest in models of cars from this era of F1 should get over to the Policar area and have a good look at the cars that will be on show. These will have been built by so many of the forum’s scratching luminaries, whose posts and builds you have likely seen over the years.

These will be, for the most part, displayed in Conti’s Concours Compound adjacent to the Gaydon -not so- Flats Policar Raceway, on which so many Standard and scratch built models will negotiate treacherous features such as Mitcham’s Mount, Farrow’s FlugPlatz, Underwood’s Underpass, Crane’s Curves, Pete’s Peril, Rowland’s Roller, Lawson’s Loop and The Prestage Parabolica.

Hope you like the model and hope to see you there!
 

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#6 ·
I mentioned Gaydon at the end of my post because for me
it will be a celebration of what this Policar F1 gearbox has given so many of us.
I bumbled across these units and began to use them in my models without really knowing
what I was doing and the scene out there.
Then I discovered Conti Rowland and Philip P and DNQ and David Mitcham and David Lawson
and Tissthemix and Transmission and Jeff Norton and Phil Allen and
other producers like Munter and Mel Ault hopefully soon to be joined by Micky83.
Lest we forget it all forms the basis of what the likes of Ostorero and Golden Era are putting out too.
And I have learnt so much from them and zero 5, loud bloke, the Kerrs and Nick the Porsche and so many others.
Yeah there are other set ups and running gear out there and I am learning about those.
But this bit of kit allows for so much to be done in a way I never thought possible.
And not just F1 material.

Better stop before it all comes off a but fawning and 'this is your life'.
Just wanna say,
Hook line and sinker.........

Andi. Your the Daddy. You ain't hanging up no hat.
Simon. You are the 'Padrinho'. No limits?

I do sincerely hope we all keep creating and building and keep pushing and helping each other to
knock out even more great looking replicas of these racing cars.
It is a niche within a greater hobby but its my kinda niche. Love it.
 
#10 ·
Think I will dub this one the ‘pocket money’ version.

Now available by contacting ‘DNQ’ on this forum.

View attachment 385982

Ligier JS17 – late season shell with Policar compatible 3d printed chassis.

Styrene cut optional elements for side pod profile and wing endplates as well as rear wing mount frame.

Mirror chrome self adhesive sheet included for the adventurous amongst any potential builder.

Decals are available from Kevin Oz to produce the Austrian GP winning version. These decals will also allow a builder to do any versions of the cars that ran from Imola to Las Vegas with minimal additional work.

View attachment 385984

I have always wanted a slot car of the Ligier JS17 from 1981, or to be precise, the end of season version of the car. This is the car that won at the 1981 Austrian and Canadian GPs and made a title challenger of Jacques Laffitte up to the final race. There is the model produced and built to such an amazing standard by Kostas Djingovic of Golden Era Slot cars. My opening line is in no way meant as a dig or criticism of his products. I was seriously tempted to buy one but it was not the version I wanted. They are too beautiful as RTRs to start hacking about to have the version I wanted.

View attachment 385985

I set about cutting and butting styrene and came up with something that I thought was pretty decent and sent it off to Simon ‘DNQ’ Brereton to check its viability for casting.

Simon is amazing in that he checked over this ‘master’ and found I was half a mil off here and there and not quite symmetrical in some aspects of the profile. I did consider starting again.

View attachment 385986

Then something of a step change on the production of these F1 car shells happened whereby Simon, who was now well into his stride with CAD designed models, sent me images of the model drawn up in CAD. His process is now to 3D print a master from his renders and then cast from that. Of late you will have probably seen how prolific he has become with the announcement of his 1978 Theodore TR1 and 1978 ATS HS1 resin shells and 3d printed chassis.

View attachment 385987

This Ligier has the need for an 87mm wheelbase. Simon then produced a bespoke chassis for this model just like the ATS and Theodore. Don’t tell him but two of these chassis have already since found their way under two other shells I was building/adjusting. It has the guide pivot point just ahead of the front axle and is quite long for a F1 slot car wheelbase, but it does handle smoothly and predictably.

View attachment 385988

Before I knew it I had a couple of shells and got on with designing the decals for a prototype build which I think was the hardest part of this car’s modelling process, although Simon might disagree! LOL. This build was going nicely until I sprayed on the clear coat and then the decal paper decided to bubble and bump and blemish like nothing I had experienced before using the same product on other models. There was some corrective work done and whilst not the best finish to a model, it is completed to a standard that is acceptable for posting on here.

View attachment 385989

And whilst I may have been the initiator of something Simon may not have considered for his inventory of excellent resin shells, I will not claim it in any way as my work. He picked it up and ran with it for which I am so very grateful. My input is to simply present the possibilities of building one of four versions of the car with the elements supplied.

I have included build notes on this prototype of the model not to clog up this one post. I will be talking this model, lumps and bumps and all, to the UK slot festival’s Policar GP event if anyone wants to come and have a poke around it.

View attachment 385990

And I am not suggesting you come over just because one of my models is there. There will be plenty of other models there, including other ‘DNQ’ and ‘Conti Rowland’ produced models and hopefully the new Williams FW08E as well as a couple of surprises. Anyone with an interest in models of cars from this era of F1 should get over to the Policar area and have a good look at the cars that will be on show. These will have been built by so many of the forum’s scratching luminaries, whose posts and builds you have likely seen over the years.

These will be, for the most part, displayed in Conti’s Concours Compound adjacent to the Gaydon -not so- Flats Policar Raceway, on which so many Standard and scratch built models will negotiate treacherous features such as Mitcham’s Mount, Farrow’s FlugPlatz, Underwood’s Underpass, Crane’s Curves, Pete’s Peril, Rowland’s Roller, Lawson’s Loop and The Prestage Parabolica.

Hope you like the model and hope to see you there!
Another great build Joe, and I look forward to seeing her in the flesh at the weekend :cool:
 
#12 ·
Think I will dub this one the ‘pocket money’ version.

Now available by contacting ‘DNQ’ on this forum.

View attachment 385982

Ligier JS17 – late season shell with Policar compatible 3d printed chassis.

Styrene cut optional elements for side pod profile and wing endplates as well as rear wing mount frame.

Mirror chrome self adhesive sheet included for the adventurous amongst any potential builder.

Decals are available from Kevin Oz to produce the Austrian GP winning version. These decals will also allow a builder to do any versions of the cars that ran from Imola to Las Vegas with minimal additional work.

View attachment 385984

I have always wanted a slot car of the Ligier JS17 from 1981, or to be precise, the end of season version of the car. This is the car that won at the 1981 Austrian and Canadian GPs and made a title challenger of Jacques Laffitte up to the final race. There is the model produced and built to such an amazing standard by Kostas Djingovic of Golden Era Slot cars. My opening line is in no way meant as a dig or criticism of his products. I was seriously tempted to buy one but it was not the version I wanted. They are too beautiful as RTRs to start hacking about to have the version I wanted.

View attachment 385985

I set about cutting and butting styrene and came up with something that I thought was pretty decent and sent it off to Simon ‘DNQ’ Brereton to check its viability for casting.

Simon is amazing in that he checked over this ‘master’ and found I was half a mil off here and there and not quite symmetrical in some aspects of the profile. I did consider starting again.

View attachment 385986

Then something of a step change on the production of these F1 car shells happened whereby Simon, who was now well into his stride with CAD designed models, sent me images of the model drawn up in CAD. His process is now to 3D print a master from his renders and then cast from that. Of late you will have probably seen how prolific he has become with the announcement of his 1978 Theodore TR1 and 1978 ATS HS1 resin shells and 3d printed chassis.

View attachment 385987

This Ligier has the need for an 87mm wheelbase. Simon then produced a bespoke chassis for this model just like the ATS and Theodore. Don’t tell him but two of these chassis have already since found their way under two other shells I was building/adjusting. It has the guide pivot point just ahead of the front axle and is quite long for a F1 slot car wheelbase, but it does handle smoothly and predictably.

View attachment 385988

Before I knew it I had a couple of shells and got on with designing the decals for a prototype build which I think was the hardest part of this car’s modelling process, although Simon might disagree! LOL. This build was going nicely until I sprayed on the clear coat and then the decal paper decided to bubble and bump and blemish like nothing I had experienced before using the same product on other models. There was some corrective work done and whilst not the best finish to a model, it is completed to a standard that is acceptable for posting on here.

View attachment 385989

And whilst I may have been the initiator of something Simon may not have considered for his inventory of excellent resin shells, I will not claim it in any way as my work. He picked it up and ran with it for which I am so very grateful. My input is to simply present the possibilities of building one of four versions of the car with the elements supplied.

I have included build notes on this prototype of the model not to clog up this one post. I will be talking this model, lumps and bumps and all, to the UK slot festival’s Policar GP event if anyone wants to come and have a poke around it.

View attachment 385990

And I am not suggesting you come over just because one of my models is there. There will be plenty of other models there, including other ‘DNQ’ and ‘Conti Rowland’ produced models and hopefully the new Williams FW08E as well as a couple of surprises. Anyone with an interest in models of cars from this era of F1 should get over to the Policar area and have a good look at the cars that will be on show. These will have been built by so many of the forum’s scratching luminaries, whose posts and builds you have likely seen over the years.

These will be, for the most part, displayed in Conti’s Concours Compound adjacent to the Gaydon -not so- Flats Policar Raceway, on which so many Standard and scratch built models will negotiate treacherous features such as Mitcham’s Mount, Farrow’s FlugPlatz, Underwood’s Underpass, Crane’s Curves, Pete’s Peril, Rowland’s Roller, Lawson’s Loop and The Prestage Parabolica.

Hope you like the model and hope to see you there!
Hi, Quat
Think I will dub this one the ‘pocket money’ version.

Now available by contacting ‘DNQ’ on this forum.

View attachment 385982

Ligier JS17 – late season shell with Policar compatible 3d printed chassis.

Styrene cut optional elements for side pod profile and wing endplates as well as rear wing mount frame.

Mirror chrome self adhesive sheet included for the adventurous amongst any potential builder.

Decals are available from Kevin Oz to produce the Austrian GP winning version. These decals will also allow a builder to do any versions of the cars that ran from Imola to Las Vegas with minimal additional work.

View attachment 385984

I have always wanted a slot car of the Ligier JS17 from 1981, or to be precise, the end of season version of the car. This is the car that won at the 1981 Austrian and Canadian GPs and made a title challenger of Jacques Laffitte up to the final race. There is the model produced and built to such an amazing standard by Kostas Djingovic of Golden Era Slot cars. My opening line is in no way meant as a dig or criticism of his products. I was seriously tempted to buy one but it was not the version I wanted. They are too beautiful as RTRs to start hacking about to have the version I wanted.

View attachment 385985

I set about cutting and butting styrene and came up with something that I thought was pretty decent and sent it off to Simon ‘DNQ’ Brereton to check its viability for casting.

Simon is amazing in that he checked over this ‘master’ and found I was half a mil off here and there and not quite symmetrical in some aspects of the profile. I did consider starting again.

View attachment 385986

Then something of a step change on the production of these F1 car shells happened whereby Simon, who was now well into his stride with CAD designed models, sent me images of the model drawn up in CAD. His process is now to 3D print a master from his renders and then cast from that. Of late you will have probably seen how prolific he has become with the announcement of his 1978 Theodore TR1 and 1978 ATS HS1 resin shells and 3d printed chassis.

View attachment 385987

This Ligier has the need for an 87mm wheelbase. Simon then produced a bespoke chassis for this model just like the ATS and Theodore. Don’t tell him but two of these chassis have already since found their way under two other shells I was building/adjusting. It has the guide pivot point just ahead of the front axle and is quite long for a F1 slot car wheelbase, but it does handle smoothly and predictably.

View attachment 385988

Before I knew it I had a couple of shells and got on with designing the decals for a prototype build which I think was the hardest part of this car’s modelling process, although Simon might disagree! LOL. This build was going nicely until I sprayed on the clear coat and then the decal paper decided to bubble and bump and blemish like nothing I had experienced before using the same product on other models. There was some corrective work done and whilst not the best finish to a model, it is completed to a standard that is acceptable for posting on here.

View attachment 385989

And whilst I may have been the initiator of something Simon may not have considered for his inventory of excellent resin shells, I will not claim it in any way as my work. He picked it up and ran with it for which I am so very grateful. My input is to simply present the possibilities of building one of four versions of the car with the elements supplied.

I have included build notes on this prototype of the model not to clog up this one post. I will be talking this model, lumps and bumps and all, to the UK slot festival’s Policar GP event if anyone wants to come and have a poke around it.

View attachment 385990

And I am not suggesting you come over just because one of my models is there. There will be plenty of other models there, including other ‘DNQ’ and ‘Conti Rowland’ produced models and hopefully the new Williams FW08E as well as a couple of surprises. Anyone with an interest in models of cars from this era of F1 should get over to the Policar area and have a good look at the cars that will be on show. These will have been built by so many of the forum’s scratching luminaries, whose posts and builds you have likely seen over the years.

These will be, for the most part, displayed in Conti’s Concours Compound adjacent to the Gaydon -not so- Flats Policar Raceway, on which so many Standard and scratch built models will negotiate treacherous features such as Mitcham’s Mount, Farrow’s FlugPlatz, Underwood’s Underpass, Crane’s Curves, Pete’s Peril, Rowland’s Roller, Lawson’s Loop and The Prestage Parabolica.

Hope you like the model and hope to see you there!
Hi Quatrozero, I am about to build this one and am looking at the Policar pod's working out my order and was wondering what pod did you use for this build?
Cheers,
John.
 
#13 ·
Hi Quatrozero, I am about to build this one and am looking at the Policar pod's working out my order and was wondering what pod did you use for this build?
Cheers,
John.
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John

Just dug it out to remind myself.
This is the one from Simon with the 87mm wheelbase 3d printed chassis unit?

I took the Policar F1 Assembled Wide Motor Mount, Axle 51mm.
Z16, Z17 or Z 18 is up to you.
I also used a Ferrari 312 B2 engine cover unit for mounting the rear wing supports to it
as outlined in the build notes.

You can take one of the newer flat backed 'wide' pod units and just add your own box at the rear on which to mount
the rear wing supports.

Hope this helps.

Joe
 
#15 ·
John

Good stuff. I would very much like to see what version you are making when you are done.
Simon keeps producing these great shells, and now the chassis, too but once 'launched'
we never get to see much of what the scratchers do with them.
Bet there are some real gems out there hiding away.

I may start looking at the Long Beach early season car soon but as with all of us.
Too many projects, not enuf time!

Joe