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Rules can be stated and enforced to discourage the little heathens from "cheating" by using lane changing that way, but for me, your reason #1 is the only thing I'd want it for. It's also the only time I'd have it on (assuming it can be designed to be switchable). There's no "person" controlling a pace car, so they'll deslot each other like crazy unless they're all evenly spaced out and running the same lap time.
 
QUOTE (MrFlippant @ 16 May 2009, 22:07) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's also the only time I'd have it on (assuming it can be designed to be switchable).

You would just need to add a switch to remove the gubbins that provides the yes/no to the relay from the circuit. When switched "off" the 12 power is delivered straight to the flipper relay. This is of course assuming the power (12v) goes from left to right (in my rudimentary explanation)

In the "on" position
12v > IR Circuit > flipper > 0v

In the "off" position
12v > flipper > 0v

Does that make sense? (I've had a few beers)
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AC is good for competition situations. I'd hate to see a close 100 lap race ruined by a back marker who just thought he'd change lanes on you. And rules are ok, but try to enforce them, it doesnt happen in a friendly situation.
 
QUOTE I'd hate to see a close 100 lap race ruined by a back marker ...
Ok, but a back marker is likely to be slower, so how do you manage the relative velocities of the cars..? - as a leading driver, your opportunity to cut in front may well be restricted by the same 'tool', thereby stopping you from overtaking to get the best racing line.

Relatively velocity has to be taken into account.

Ian
 
No problem.
The best way to measure cars velocities is measure the time it takes the cars in each lane to get from AC sensor to LC sensor and make a program that can then work out cars speeds and deactivates the entry flipper(s) for precisely the correct time.
Rick
 
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Good thinking I'Man! I can see this evolving to a map of the circuit with dots moving around it, when anyone is about to be lapped the computer inhibits the LCs, sort of automatic blue flag system.....
 
Wow,sounds complicated. I would just like to keep the pace cars from running into each other ... When the current is applied to the lane change solenoid, can't it also be applied to the other lane straight ahead solenoid and prevent a change for the split second that matters.
 
Well at last my first at attempt at this modification the straight lane change, to give you some context I'm pretty electrically challanged!

I have done one side of a straight lane change and I have found it works beautifully if the car is going straight on. However if the car takes the lane change then I seem to lose power on the flipper (in fact the powerbase goes into overload - I can hear it overloading as it makes a little buzzing noise). I'm curious to see if this behavior is expected or not?

Cheers

Mark
 
Rick,

I'm a bit confused myself - I generally seem to find that the flipper taping is the most critical component - if you don't get it spot on then you have all sorts of dramas with overloads and shorting.

What I wouldn't mind knowing is that if you solder the red and black wires incorrectly on the rails if this has any issue, on the pit-lane entry which has the single flipper I was getting shorting occurring and I found that by reversing the red/black connection solved the problem.

At the moment if I complete the mod and there is a shorting problem that it is either the flipper connector or the incorrect rail connection. I must get myself some of the new tape the Ke3th advised later in his posts.

I've got a bundle more to do and I've run out of time this weekend (wife thinks I've got a screw loose - I'm sure we've all seen the rolling of the eyes when you advise that it's take 30 minutes to stop the cars stopping on the flippers)....

I'm now curious about the pit-exit flipper and whether I can power this as it is another point where cars can stop (not that it's anywhere near as bad as the pit-entry). I'm a master at doing the wiring with the relay and the soldering.

Cheers

Mark
 
hi Mark,
Keith is the man to ask. Im not sure why you need tape but Im sure theres a reason. If reversing polarity on pit flipper worked then theres a clue, go back and try it on the first LC you wired. Its a great mod when it works hey.
 
I was browsing the internet and came across the following page http://wiki.opensprints.org/index.php?titl...r_Sensor_Boards It describes how to build a hall effect sensor board for sensing a magnet on a roller, I assume to count revs. Could we use a hall effect sensor to sense cars either motor magnets and or magnets if using them. The circuit seems easy to build with very few componants.
 
Im sure it could somehow be done but hall sensor wouldnt determine if the car was going straight or changing lanes, plus we already have a detector which is easier to utilise.......
 
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Mark,

I'm pleased to see that you are working through getting power to your flippers!

Yes, it is critical to insulate the flipper from the rail for two reasons - 1. The flipper switches so quickly that if it touches the rail before the relay has switched then a short occurs and the relay contacts are likely to fail. - 2. It is likely that someone will push a flipper manually to the opposite rail and again an overload occurs and relay failure is likely.

The pit-lane flipper must have the correct polarity to the flipper and that depends on how you wired it - The best thing to get is a Multi-meter and check the continuity or voltage to the rails and flipper - this way you'll be sure it's wired correctly!

Power to the Pit-Lane exit flipper is the only bit missing - I do have an idea on how to do it - but I'm advised that summer and the kids take priority! - Car detection would need to be made just before the pit exit to switch the flipper polarity and detection after the flipper would be required to switch the flipper polarity back again.

Keith&#8230;
 
Keith,

Thanks for that, actually I did 4 x-overs on the weekend all of which are working perfectly. I generally went through a pretty thorough procedure to ensure that everything is setup correctly, it's pretty easy to work out what is going wrong by simply testing (must get myself a multimeter). I generally found that I'd get a short from both straight on or lane changed direction or from both. I'm completely happy now as it's all working perfectly.

I was fortunate to find the Panasonic relays from a US supplier herefor a mere $2.49 each which seemed to be far cheaper than mosler (and a huge thanks to Pault86 who shipped them to me at cost).

I look forward to the exit flipper solution (and your wife/partner/missus is right there is no rush).

So now I'm pretty much complete, powered flippers, Pit Pro, S-H and Lap Tower, just need to build some tables for the track and either make it completely pack awayable or hoistable and I'm set - then of course I'll want scenary.

I generally stay away from the CLC but I'm sure I'll get around to fixing those up as per your instructions. Thanks once again for your efforts, it's certainly made things so much better, especially for the kids.

Cheers

Mark
 
QUOTE The flipper switches so quickly that if it touches the rail before the relay has switched then a short occurs and the relay contacts are likely to fail
A 4ohm, 2watt resistor in series with the wire to flipper will save the stress on the contacts, without any noticible reduction in power to motor. Assumes the flipper insulation fails, though.

Ian
 
Newbie here,

this is my first post in this forum. What an awesome thread this is. Thanks to Keith for doing these intuitive guides (just ordered a whole bag of relays). Only thing I still need to figure out is how to power exit flippers from my double pitlane. I assume I just power the pit-in flippers like the XLC.
Are there any solutions regarding the pit-out flippers yet?
 
Hi,

I want to power my XLC track and was reviewing the this thread. However, it appears the resistors are no longer manufactured. And I am not an electronic expert to know what would be a suitable alternative. Can someone provide some on how to wire the XLC and what resistors are required. The three offered at the beginning of the topic are not available anymore.

Thanks again for the help.

David
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OMRON G6HK-2100 5DC - LINK
This is a 5V relay that will need to be used with a 42 Ohms resistor in order to reduce the 9V trigger voltage to the relay.

G6HK-2-DC9 - Omron - LINK
TQ2-L2-9V - Panasonic - LINK
 
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